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Old 12-09-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Not when you factor in all of the benefits - the BAH, health insurance, re-enlistment bonuses...
uhm..yes they are underpaid..even when you factor in those 'benefits'

1. most 'other' workers get similar bennies
2. a married private with one kid is still only making $1200 a month base pay (the monthly pay for a private when I joined was $450)...(single living in the barracks wont get BAH)...wow he gets a housing allowance of $700-1800 a month (depending on location) THAT ONLY covers the cost of the AVERAGE rent in the AREA...and still has all the 'other' costs associated with living in society (ie electric bill, water/sewer bill, cable, cell phone, car, clothes etc)

3. bonus's only are 'one' time payments (averaging every 4 years)

4 health ins that is constantly being cut back on

5. he/she works for a heck of a lot more hours than the average civilian


soldiers are underpaid...

even at the higher levels (middle and upper management) we earn a heck of a lot less than the snivilling civilians out there
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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No 'effin wonder they make us turn in our guns when we leave the service. That there is some help available compared to the time I served is and improvement. The civilians always disparage vets after they have used us up. They just want us to go away until they need our kids to fight their next war. FWIW - 'Nam River Rat '66-67.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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vets dont deserve the bennies they get.

they arnt forced to go to war. its the career they chose.

if it was up to me the VA would be eliminated. no special privileges.
But you feel that lazy people who CHOOSE not to get skill deserve a living wage and other benefits they didn't work for?
At least Vets did something for those benefits unlike the aforementioned group.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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No 'effin wonder they make us turn in our guns when we leave the service. That there is some help available compared to the time I served is and improvement. The civilians always disparage vets after they have used us up. They just want us to go away until they need our kids to fight their next war. FWIW - 'Nam River Rat '66-67.
I agree with what you said here. I come from a long line of miltary family members. I didn't serve though. Thank you for your service Greg!
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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Veterans homeless, Veterans having their food security compromised=Unacceptable. The poor in general get poorer and have more roadblocks put in front of them to move up in life it seems.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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the military is still way underpaid compared to the civilian population..yes they need rasies 'a little more than inflation' to at least catch up

uhm korea...Vietnam .....

yep you missed it alrighty
They make plenty of money and benefits. They are not underpaid by any stretch. With their housing allowance, health care, 20 year retirement, cheap life insurance, and food sustenance pay, they make damn good money.

Korea and Vietnam aren't wars fought on.behalf of the United States. We weren't threatened by communism.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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uhm..yes they are underpaid..even when you factor in those 'benefits'

1. most 'other' workers get similar bennies
2. a married private with one kid is still only making $1200 a month base pay (the monthly pay for a private when I joined was $450)...(single living in the barracks wont get BAH)...wow he gets a housing allowance of $700-1800 a month (depending on location) THAT ONLY covers the cost of the AVERAGE rent in the AREA...and still has all the 'other' costs associated with living in society (ie electric bill, water/sewer bill, cable, cell phone, car, clothes etc)

3. bonus's only are 'one' time payments (averaging every 4 years)

4 health ins that is constantly being cut back on

5. he/she works for a heck of a lot more hours than the average civilian


soldiers are underpaid...

even at the higher levels (middle and upper management) we earn a heck of a lot less than the snivilling civilians out there
You throw a lot of stuff out there with no proof. 91% of military is non-combat. Compare the pay of those guys to someone down at Walmart. Military pay is way above the pay in the past two cities I have lived in. The military... like people in healthcare never felt the recession. My son in law was making $23 an hour before the collapse and after it and two years of being unemployed he is back to $19. By the way he is lucky. Ever live around a military base?...they have a lot of money to throw away, prostitution, gambling, drugs, booze, etc...Quit complaining about the civilians they are the ones picking up the tab. Every man, woman, and child pays $3,000 to support our massive defense-military budget.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:48 PM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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the only reason why i look down on them is because i know the type of people who join.

most were going nowhere and this was a last resort.

i do not buy that the majority of people are in the military for "love of the country"

this is a paycheck to the vast majority of them.
Are you really that unaware of how many disabled veterans of the Vietnam War still need help?

And many didn't 'join', they were conscripted, often despite the fact they were going somewhere.

Better we cut the federal benefits of those who involve us in the unnecessary wars of choice that bring no benefit to the US in the first place.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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I eat people like you for breakfast punk.

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Old 12-09-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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These must be the no good leeches that conservatives are always talking about, AKA "The 47%", AKA communists, AKA welfare queens!

Afghanistan and Iraq veterans are doing pretty badly in our economy. Their unemployment rate is 9.7%, their average wage is $10,000 lower than the general population, and for female veterans it's $10,000 lower than males.

The Coming Food Stamp Cut Will Hit 900,000 Veterans | ThinkProgress
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