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Old 12-09-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
This notion you put forth that the American dream is reachable to those who put in the effort, maybe an enlightened thought to you, but to me it is vague and irrelevant.

There is economic opportunity in this nation, but there is strong evidence that this opportunity is decreasing.
The evidence in the OP shows it is increasing.

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I know for you that these troubling stats can be easily dismissed with your
vague notion that those people whom you have never met aren't putting forth the
effort, and that explains the decline, but for people who are serious about this
problem you can see why that vague notion seems so irrelevant to the problem at
hand.
I mentioned earlier that education improves opportunity. Our education system needs a lot of work, and it will take a generation of school kids before it is improved.

 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310 View Post
Who is criticizing these individuals. The more people well off the better.

The more people well off, the higher the rent.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Management is not the only path to wealth, you can do better than that.
You are the only person who mentioned management. No one said it was the only path. You can drop the fake combativeness. It's not working.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The evidence in the OP shows it is increasing.

I mentioned earlier that education improves opportunity. Our education system needs a lot of work, and it will take a generation of school kids before it is improved.
No it doesn't show any such thing. Stop making stuff up.

Education isn't the only path to greater economic opportunity, in fact Americans right now are the most educated we have ever been as a nation. And still right now despite more high school and college grads economic mobility is decreasing when compared to previous generations when far fewer Americans had high school or college diplomas.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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The difference is what we classify as "rich". The people that are hiring and working and paying income taxes are not "rich" and are not manipulating our economy-even if they make $500,000 a year. It is very few people in our Corporatocracy (like a couple hundred families out of 300 Million Americans) that are in control and they have much money off-shore, do not work, hire few meaningful positions and do not pay income taxes. They are the true leeches in our country and system.

^^^fallacy.
One does not pay income taxes on capital gains, therefore the liberal narrative is the wealthy pay no income taxes which the masses take to mean no taxes. This is why the rich are demonized though they are who pay to drive this big machine. No one mentions capital gain taxes were roughly 15% prior to Obama's ruinous regime took hold of the country. 15% is not zero as is described above. 15% of $5M = what???
Earned income is what one pays income taxes on. Income received from investments, capital gains, has most likely been taxed several times over - a penalty for having money. Liberals think they need to be taxed more - the fair share mantra - and more on top of what they are already paying. Bill Gates pays more in taxes in one year than 100K people will in their lifetimes. Think of the property taxes those with lots of land pay.

The left is crammed full of millionaires who worry about what conservative millionaires are doing with their money. They want conservative millionaires to hand over their wealth to pay for every social program known to man. Do liberals want to hand over theirs? About as much as conservatives do - no.
No one but a tool wants to pay taxes.

Liberals, especially celebrities, are great at throwing galas to raise awareness for liberal causes. After the $10K plate event is over they skim their take off the top and hand the foundation for the cause to an entity who can't run it and they are never seen again unless for a photo op.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No it doesn't show any such thing. Stop making stuff up.
You are saying that before we had more than 20% who reach affluence? Can you provide a link proving it?
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
No it doesn't show any such thing. Stop making stuff up.

Education isn't the only path to greater economic opportunity, in fact Americans right now are the most educated we have ever been as a nation. And still right now despite more high school and college grads economic mobility is decreasing when compared to previous generations when far fewer Americans had high school or college diplomas.

Convince your liberal overlords to remove their heels from the throat of business so they can go back to work in this country and we might realize real commerce in this nation again.

It's a big scary aspect but Obamacare was forced upon us, wasn't it?
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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You are saying that before we had more than 20% who reach affluence? Can you provide a link proving it?
I am saying that the economic data suggests strongly that economic mobility is getting worse in this nation.

Look it up.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Should everyone just go into finance and abandon all other aspects of society allowing the superficial to dominate and real world to crumble?
Yes, If they choose to.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The evidence in the OP shows it is increasing.

I mentioned earlier that education improves opportunity. Our education system needs a lot of work, and it will take a generation of school kids before it is improved.

You suggest a single generation while it was 2-3 to take it this low?
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