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Old 12-26-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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wrong. republicans have offered nothing, but the same old same old. where insurance companies can deny a person because they have a pre-existing condition or are too high risk
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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What do those have to do with a discussion on Obama's disastrous health care law? Oh yeah, you are trying to change the subject.... never mind.

I was responding directly to another poster's question Read much???
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:22 AM
 
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wrong. republicans have offered nothing, but the same old same old. where insurance companies can deny a person because they have a pre-existing condition or are too high risk
At least with nothing I wouldn't be losing my healthcare insurance.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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At least with nothing I wouldn't be losing my healthcare insurance.
And the cost of my plan would not be going up $200 a month.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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I spent many years in a corporate, management environment and we would have regular conference meetings to discuss corporate policies and directions. One of the 10 commandments of corporate life is "Never trash a corporate directive unless you have a viable alternative. You never come to a meeting and state, "this idea sucks!" without offering your solution and the alternative. If you did, you would be shunted to the side and your position in the corporate ladder would be marginalized.

So I ask you, Coalman, one of those who loudly proclaim that we should just kill Obamacare, and bury it out behind the barn, What would you do to replace, fix or otherwise rectify the Health insurance situation?
I've already offered many times in the past What I would have done and many of those things needed to be done in incremental steps. They would have included opening up the market place, addressing administrative costs and other things like tort reform. Baby steps in reversing this decades long process instead of betting the farm like the Democrats have. I thinks it's becoming apparent they have lost that bet and anyone with any intelligence is going to be dishonest to at least not admit it's not looking good.

We're beyond anything what I would have suggested or the Republicans would have done becsue frankly you can't kill Obamacare at this point primarily becsue of the issue I just outlined. If this plays out like I suggested we're screwed, everyone.... there is no if, and or but about it. There is no one willing on either side of the aisle to tell these people sorry we made a mistake and we're taking your insurance coverage away from you. I'm glad these people got coverage and you would have to be cruel to suggest otherwise but someone has to pay for it.

If we're at the same point next year we are now and this thing is giant bust, what are we going to do then? Notice I said "we" becsue "we" are screwed unless there is some kind of last minute surge in enrollments.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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wrong. republicans have offered nothing, but the same old same old. where insurance companies can deny a person because they have a pre-existing condition or are too high risk
That provision is smoke and mirrors becsue of the mandate that you buy insurance, how's that working out? That only works if everyone buys insurance.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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wrong. republicans have offered nothing, but the same old same old. where insurance companies can deny a person because they have a pre-existing condition or are too high risk
The people who have been denied insurance due to pre existing condition pre ACA amount to less than 1-2 million. It's a very small amount of the total US population.

For the Dems to wreck the individual market over 1-2 million people is crazy.

Remember all govt insurance and essentially all employer insurance do not deny people with pre existing conditions. So you are talking about less than 1% of the population.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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False, the deadline for Jan 1st was Dec 24, the deadline for Feb 1st is Jan 23rd, and the deadline for Mar 1st is Feb 23rd....so I didn't blow anything, I still have time to sign up, I just won't have health insurance at Jan 1st.
So who do you feel is responsible for you until then?
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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You spent too much time going to corporate meeting and not enough time in the real world. The republicans have offered many great solutions but the democrats refuse to listen. They have their own agenda and doing things the correct way, the republican way, won't lead to the socialist state pushed by the democrats. They can't get all the way to communism without taking their first step, which is socialism.
Come into reality and stop listening to the lies of comrade obama...
Lefties think that we don't have access to all of the GOP bills that were never allowed to come to the floor.

They also forget that not a single GOP politician was invited into their backroom deals while Acorn, the UAW, the SEIU leaders, insurance company heads and pelosi and reid crafted their POS plan.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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wrong. republicans have offered nothing, but the same old same old. where insurance companies can deny a person because they have a pre-existing condition or are too high risk
Let's look at the definition of "insurance" shall we?

in·sur·ance

inˈSHo͝orəns/Submit
noun
1. a practice or arrangement by which a company or government agency provides a guarantee of compensation for specified loss, damage, illness, or death in return for payment of a premium.
"many new borrowers take out insurance against unemployment or sickness"

synonyms: indemnity, indemnification, assurance, (financial) protection, security, coverage More
the business of providing insurance.
"Howard is in insurance"
money paid for insurance.
"my insurance has gone up"
money paid out as compensation under an insurance policy.
"when will I be able to collect the insurance?"
2. a thing providing protection against a possible eventuality.
"adherence to high personal standards of conduct is excellent insurance against personal problems"
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