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Old 12-29-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Being nothing more than cheerleaders for failure is a sad and pitiable way to go through life.

Of course, it was obvious this would happen.

RomneyCare? Terrible rollout, fewer per capita signups in month one than ObamaCare. Now? It's running smoothly and very popular.

Bush's Medicare Plan D? Terrible rollout, the website was so bad that not a single signup was recorded in the first three weeks. Now? It's running smoothly and very popular.

Indeed, the single best historical analog for the ACA was the Massachusetts health care mandate.
Obamacare Enrollment: Massachusetts Statistics Suggest It Will Be Slow | New Republic

All the current Republican leadership had to do was have a look at history and see that cheering/hoping/praying it would fail was not only a pathetic and disgusting political strategy, but one likely to fail. So why didn't they? It wasn't a lesson they wanted to learn. So they declined to analyze that all-important data as part of their study as to the medium- and long-term success of the ACA. Instead, they just relied on the wishful thinking of the echo chamber. Paul said it would fail, Hannity agreed. Limbaugh said it would fail, Cruz agreed. And they then came to the stunning conclusion that their shared fantasies were proof of what would happen in the real world, history be damned. Garbage in, garbage out. The result? Very predictable - that is, to those of us not chugging the Kool-Aid straight from the pitcher.

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Old 12-29-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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That's trumped by the so called mandate and only works when everyone buys insurance, how's that working out? How many of these 1 million sign ups reported in December are healthy young adults?
True, we don't know how many of these sign ups are older people with more medical expenses. But an increase is expected because people expect their healthcare to begin Jan 1. Projected enrollment was much higher.

How many people will find out come Jan the new health insurance they thought they had signed up for isn't there? Too many application errors may cause huge coverage problems.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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That is the beauty of the Republicans, they are a dying party and they just don't see it. I bet in 2014, they will still be clueless why they didn't do well in the election and will probably blame fraudulent voters.
actually more and more americans are waking up to the knowledge that the fascist liberals are killing what once was a great country
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You would agree that it stands to reason that anyone with a health issue that didn't have insurance before most likely signed up? Do you think there was 1 million people pre-existing conditions? Those people are going to cost the sytem money and need to be counteracted by healthy people buying insurance.

Here's the things that need to be answered about these signups.

  • How many never pay a premium and/or stop paying in a few months.
  • How many are already sick.
  • How many are subsidized.


Unless you have a significant amount that do not fall into those categories this thing is heading for disaster.
Over 100 million people classify as having pre-existing conditions, most of those people have health insurance through their employer which helps them get insurance, but about 25 million Americans had pre-existing conditions without insurance.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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actually more and more americans are waking up to the knowledge that the fascist liberals are killing what once was a great country
By voting Democrats into office? You guys didn't do so well in the last election, in case you don't remember and will probably do poorly in 2014 and 2016....but thank you for pointing out my point that you guys are clueless about the failings of the Republican party.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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By voting Democrats into office? You guys didn't do so well in the last election, in case you don't remember and will probably do poorly in 2014 and 2016....but thank you for pointing out my point that you guys are clueless about the failings of the Republican party.
uhm they did well in the last election

if you understand history and politics

the ENTIRE house of reps( the peoples house) was up for reelection...and the republicans/conservatives won the PEOPLES HOUSE
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:08 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Being nothing more than cheerleaders for failure is a sad and pitiable way to go through life.

Of course, it was obvious this would happen.

RomneyCare? Terrible rollout, fewer per capita signups in month one than ObamaCare. Now? It's running smoothly and very popular.

Bush's Medicare Plan D? Terrible rollout, the website was so bad that not a single signup was recorded in the first three weeks. Now? It's running smoothly and very popular.

Indeed, the single best historical analog for the ACA was the Massachusetts health care mandate.
Obamacare Enrollment: Massachusetts Statistics Suggest It Will Be Slow | New Republic

All the current Republican leadership had to do was have a look at history and see that cheering/hoping/praying it would fail was not only a pathetic and disgusting political strategy, but one likely to fail. So why didn't they? It wasn't a lesson they wanted to learn. So they declined to analyze that all-important data as part of their study as to the medium- and long-term success of the ACA. Instead, they just relied on the wishful thinking of the echo chamber. Paul said it would fail, Hannity agreed. Limbaugh said it would fail, Cruz agreed. And they then came to the stunning conclusion that their shared fantasies were proof of what would happen in the real world, history be damned. Garbage in, garbage out. The result? Very predictable - that is, to those of us not chugging the Kool-Aid straight from the pitcher.
key points to remember

the liberals stated there were 40 million without insurance....yet less than 1 million have even tried to sign up

on top of that 6+ million who HAS insurance have lost their good coverage, that they WANTED to keep due to obozocare

of the nearly 1 million to sign up...over 50% of them are MEDICAID....so the signup for actual obamacare is less than 550k



hmmm
liberals number 40 million without
6 million lose care
yet less than 1 million sign up

the math isn't pretty for the fascist liberals
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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Over 100 million people classify as having pre-existing conditions, most of those people have health insurance through their employer which helps them get insurance, but
about 25 million Americans had pre-existing conditions without insurance.

25 million with pre-existing conditions were uninsured ? That's an absurdly high number.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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25 million with pre-existing conditions were uninsured ? That's an absurdly high number.
That's because it was completely made up. There are about 30 million uninsured and most of them are young and healthy.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You can always not have insurance and risk it, there is nothing stopping you from doing that.
Not the point. The point is that a lot of the reason that health care costs have gone up so far ($500 for sutures, as an example) is because of the health insurance market. Which is why I have a massive problem with the entire idea behind the ACA in the first place.
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