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Old 12-10-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Is it true that South Africa started to decline, in terms of its economy, order, safety, etc., after the end of apartheid when blacks took over?
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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Whatever happened in SA and whatever could possibly be attributed to a switch from a white to a non-white government is nothing compared to the downfall of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

Alas, is it a race issue or is it simply a corruption issue?
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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Whatever happened in SA and whatever could possibly be attributed to a switch from a white to a non-white government is nothing compared to the downfall of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

Alas, is it a race issue or is it simply a corruption issue?
What happened to Rhodesia and Zimbabwe? Were they ruled by whites and prosperous?
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Alas, is it a race issue or is it simply a corruption issue?
Why was corruption a non issue pre-1994?
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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ouch.... I don't know if it is true. but it would be nice to see some facts. not like facts matter, but it would be nice to see.
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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Is it true that South Africa started to decline, in terms of its economy, order, safety, etc., after the end of apartheid when blacks took over?
No. When anti-apartheid sanctions ended, an economic boom resulted. It's true that its economy started to sputter in the late 2000s, but then so did almost every other major and not-so-major world economy.

Economic growth in South Africa : a 20-year review - Soapbox | Moneyweb

Crime -- although still high by world standards, is dropping steadily too. It's true that there was a spike in crime after 1994, but that's about what you'd expect to happen when a police state disappears.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...-low-1.1582574
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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No. When anti-apartheid sanctions ended, an economic boom resulted. It's true that its economy started to sputter in the late 2000s, but then so did almost every other major and not-so-major world economy.

Economic growth in South Africa : a 20-year review - Soapbox | Moneyweb
Question: Was South Africa a better place to live twenty years ago or today?
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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Question: Was South Africa a better place to live twenty years ago or today?
For whites: about the same.

For most non-whites: better.

For a lucky few of all races: much better.

For an unlucky few others of all races: much worse.

I'm sure that's not the answer you were fishing for, though.
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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Is it true that South Africa started to decline, in terms of its economy, order, safety, etc., after the end of apartheid when blacks took over?
Yes and no. It did go into decline, but it has nothing to do with the end of apartheid or blacks being power. It has to do with them adopting socialist policies. The whites who ran the apartheid government could have adopted the same policies with the same results.
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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And here's yet more evidence that your implied premise (that the end of apartheid unleashed a tsunami of crime upon South Africa) is simply not true.

Crime Trends in South Africa 1985-1998

The increase in violent crime started in the mid-1980s -- long before apartheid ended.
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