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Old 12-12-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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The majority should not have the ability to vote away someone else's property.
They aren't voting away someone else's property.

They are assessing taxes to pay for government programs which they have determined serve all of us and which the courts have determined are Constitutional.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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They aren't voting away someone else's property.

They are assessing taxes to pay for government programs which they have determined serve all of us and which the courts have determined are Constitutional.
So if you use the services more than they do why is it fair that they pay more? By the way, taxation is not constitutional.

To support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%.

History of the Income Tax in the United States | Infoplease.com
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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I pay taxes, and I'm certainly not rich.
But actually the taxes you pay like I do will not even pay your share of general service you and I get. Even democrats if you look know where the money is in their tax proposals. It also evident in places like Detroit where once industry funding was loss; the city started losing funding it was use to. Trickle down may not be liked but it the real truth. Many hate corporations but want jobs so they are like the dairy farmer who wants milk but doesn't want cows.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. The rich have always paid a larger percentage of their income in taxes. Of course Obama has convinced you differently. He knew he was lying.

History of the Income Tax in the United States | Infoplease.com
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Yes it does. Politicians, specifically Obama pandered to the lower class. Why did it work? Because he knows you want what they have.

Did you get your piece of the pie yet????
I clearly explained why it doesn't mean that, yet you ignore that explanation. This is not about President Obama.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Agreed. I paid some $28,000.00 in Federal income tax last year (joint filing) on total income of some $140,000.00. Hence, a statement that the 'rich' pay 'all the taxes' is false (as any thinking person would realize).
Tax code favors the wealthy and working poor. It's the effective tax rate, not absolute dollars that matters.

The wealthy make most of their money off capital gains, not earned income and as a result, pay a lower tax rate. People , like you, pay substantially higher effective tax rate than the wealthy.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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So you don't think the rich pay the other taxes? The rich, do pay the other taxes too. The "so called rich" who are also small business owners also match your payroll taxes.
They can and do deduct Payroll Taxes.

The very wealthy tend to be celebrities, professional athletes, musicians, corporate CEOs and money managers. They tend not to employ individuals beyond household help, security, accountants and business managers.

Small business owners have the greatest perk of all. They are the major employers of illegal workers. They are not concerned with things like minimum wage, payroll taxes or workers comp. It does not matter how high a fence is built or how many people are employed as border patrol, so long as there are jobs, the people will find a way in. Nothing new here. It's been going on, since forever.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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So if you use the services more than they do why is it fair that they pay more? By the way, taxation is not constitutional.

To support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%.

History of the Income Tax in the United States | Infoplease.com
I'm well aware of the history of income taxes in our country.

What services are you complaining that poor people use more than rich people? Police? Air traffic controllers? Do the poor visit the Smithsonian more often? Do the poor have convoluted and extensive tax forms that take more time to examine at the IRS? What services concern you that the poor are abusing?
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I would never want to give a penny more than I legally have to to this Federal Government (even though the Constitution says nothing about income taxes).
16th amendment.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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This helps to reinforce one of the arguments against the 'red state welfare' myth, as this shows most of the taxes are paid by the rich and the upper classes, who tend to live in big cities in blue states (but are more likely to be Republicans). Of the top ten states with the highest percentage of millionaires, all but Texas are blue.
Being a millionaire is not the same thing as being wealthy. Many have at least $1 million socked away in a 401K or other deferred income plans and in doing so, have paid no taxes on such income.

The true wealthy derive most of their income from capital gains, not earned income.
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