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Old 12-13-2013, 04:22 AM
 
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I don't really feel that it's always that simple, though. Conservatives often want to provide increased benefits for veterans and people in the military, and want to expand the military. I would say the military is a part of the government. On that issue, they stray from the idea that Liberals want to expand the government and Conservatives want to shrink it.

My personal belief is that the government should provide job placement services and possibly help with education. I think people should work, but I don't think it's always fair to expect that people can just go out and find jobs on their own. Some people don't have a clue how to find work.
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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It's an exaggeration, and they use it to try and scare liberals into abandoning their positions.

The idea is that if you support welfare, food stamps, or other government programs/assistance, then you're encouraging people to be lazy. Conservatives believe that if these programs weren't available, people would be forced to work harder and strive for better pay.

Most of the smart ones realize that isn't what liberals intend, but they believe that liberals are just oblivious to the potential negative implications of social programs. So they keep pointing it out and exaggerating the insults.

Conservatives and liberals both generally care about the common good, but they have very different theories about what's best for people. Conservatives are like the parent that believes in "tough love" and favors letting a kid get into trouble and suffer consequences, and denying them an allowance, hoping it will force them to be more enterprising. Like an average Dad, if you will. Liberals are like the parent that wants to give their kids every chance to be happy, buy them gifts, help them go to school, and protect them from danger directly. Like an average Mom, I guess.

If you think of conservatives as being father figures, and liberals as being mother figures, you'll have a pretty good idea of their mentality. Unfortunately, they seem like a couple on the verge of getting a divorce. And as you know, it's always the kids that suffer most in a divorce.
The "Welfare to work" program, which Obama abolished, was a very successful program. Since Obama has come on the scene, we have seen welfare roles skyrocket along with unemployment. What does that tell us? And the real unemployment rate isn't disclosed. One must read the economic blogs that discuss the labor participation rate, etc., to learn the real rate, which is much higher (about 13%).

Government lies. Don't you know that?
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:28 AM
 
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This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
Liberals have their own crazy talk like Obama (who just won lie of the year award) claiming that conservatives want kids with down syndrome to fend for themselves.

It is not that I think liberals want people to be lazy and we do need a safety net. It is that I think some liberals are perfectly fine with creating situations where laziness is encouraged. My sister in law said it was unconstitutional to limit unemployment benefits for able bodied people not taking care of someone incapacitated to 4 years. I know another Democrat that compared our governor to Hitler for doing this -- she was especially angry as she had been able bodied and collecting unemployment by choice for 4 years.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
They don't want everyone lazy, just 51% of the voters.

If a plurality of voters is somehow dependent on government for their daily existence, then government has a lot of leeway to pretty much do anything they want and never be held accountable. If you could find a way to make your employer so utterly dependent on you that you could never be fired, wouldn't that be appealing to you?

That's the bottom line of all statist government plans. Get a majority dependent on you, keep that majority scared of or angry at the minority, exploit the minority, keep your power forever. In our welfare state implementation of this, right now roughly 60% of the country is on the dole to some degree, so opposing the power of government always gets portrayed as opposing those dependent folks surviving to see tomorrow. Want to cut welfare? You want to kill poor people. Want to reform Medicare or Social Security. You want to push grandma off a cliff in her wheelchair. Oppose ObamaCare? You want to watch little kids die of cancer. Etc etc.

But you have to be naive to levels that should be criminal to believe the government doesn't want a plurality of voters as dependent as they can make them. Not 100% obviously, because as you said, who would pull the cart, but 51%...hell yes. Why wouldn't they?
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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If liberals really believed unemployed and welfare Americans wanted jobs, they would not be demanding that 11 to 30 million illegals be added to the legal labor force so that these amnestied illegals will grab up all the jobs leaving Americans left laying around on government handouts forever.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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People on the left say we're racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, greedy, uncaring, sexists. What's not to get? We want dirty air and water. We want to make America a theocracy. We hate Obama because he's black. We want to throw grandma off a cliff. We want to put black people back in chains. We want children with downs syndrome to get no healthcare. It's pretty clear how people on the left think. You haven't exactly made your hatred and bigotry of anybody who doesn't agree with you a secret.
By reading this is pretty evident that every liberal believes the same way?

No not necessarily.

Not EVERY liberal thinks conservatives are greedy just like not EVERY conservative believes that liberals are lazy.

Basically what OP is saying is that you can't paint everyone with the same paintbrush. Not everyone is 100% liberal or conservative.

BTW I see hatred and bigotry with anybody who doesn't agree with them from both sides not just liberals or just conservatives but everyone. So there is somebody militant and annoying on both sides.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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If liberals really believed unemployed and welfare Americans wanted jobs, they would not be demanding that 11 to 30 million illegals be added to the legal labor force so that these amnestied illegals will grab up all the jobs leaving Americans left laying around on government handouts forever.
In defense of Liberals, I should like to state at this time, that Liberals are not known for practicality.

They also reintroduced bears and wolves into the sheep areas of the country.

Actually, they may be very practical, if you consider the possibility of their hidden agendas.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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Didn't Pelosi tell people to quit their jobs?
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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In defense of Liberals, I should like to state at this time, that Liberals are not known for practicality.

They also reintroduced bears and wolves into the sheep areas of the country.

Actually, they may be very practical, if you consider the possibility of their hidden agendas.
True. Their whole argument is that we need many millions of illegals because Americans are too lazy to work jobs that illegals will work --- but then they turn around and pretend to say that the same lazy Americans really would work but all the jobs are filled with cheap illegals.

Never ever do you hear of any illegals having the slightest trouble finding work --- that speaks volumes. They're doing so well that remittances to other countries are higher than ever. Just Mexico alone gets over $2 billion a month.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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True. Their whole argument is that we need many millions of illegals because Americans are too lazy to work jobs that illegals will work --- but then they turn around and pretend to say that the same lazy Americans really would work but all the jobs are filled with cheap illegals.

Never ever do you hear of any illegals having the slightest trouble finding work --- that speaks volumes. They're doing so well that remittances to other countries are higher than ever. Just Mexico alone gets over $2 billion a month.
They're creating government dependency without use of the poppy fields that the conservatives fought so hard to own.
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