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By being a little more accepting of those groups of people that is why and conservatives tend to exclude, reject those groups of people.
Republicans don't reject those groups, certainly not as party. Rather, they don't sweeten the pot with free stuff. Buying votes is way easier than doing the right thing.
Hopefully, people will wake up and realize that government goodies cost a LOT of money. Money we don't have.
On that note, liberals complain about the cost of war. War, when murky issues surround it and there's no certain outcome, can of course be a needless drain. With welfare, people who need help aren't getting it, people who don't need help to get it... then there's the pennies-on-the-dollar-after-bureaucratic-black-hole aspect of government intervention that never seems to get addressed.
Republicans don't reject those groups, certainly not as party. Rather, they don't sweeten the pot with free stuff. Buying votes is way easier than doing the right thing.
Hopefully, people will wake up and realize that government goodies cost a LOT of money. Money we don't have.
On that note, liberals complain about the cost of war. War, when murky issues surround it and there's no certain outcome, can of course be a needless drain. With welfare, people who need help aren't getting it, people who don't need help to get it... then there's the pennies-on-the-dollar-after-bureaucratic-black-hole aspect of government intervention that never seems to get addressed.
conservatism does reject those groups. and one of the more awful ways they express this rejection is to suggest to those voters, that they want free stuff and the conservatives won't give them free stuff.
This is the kind of twisted thinking of conservatism.
conservatives see their party is not diverse, but instead of thinking hey what are conservatives doing to not attract a more diverse group of American voters, conservatives say oh those voters are just lazy and want free stuff.
conservatism does reject those groups. and one of the more awful ways they express this rejection is to suggest to those voters, that they want free stuff and the conservatives won't give them free stuff.
This is the kind of twisted thinking of conservatism.
conservatives see their party is not diverse, but instead of thinking hey what are conservatives doing to not attract a more diverse group of American voters, conservatives say oh those voters are just lazy and want free stuff.
The core of conservatism is exclusion.
That's the myth liberals have spread successfully due to screaming louder, and also with ample help of the media and entertainment political machines.
You also have to consider the seemingly insurmountable hill conservatives have to climb trying to reach these voters. Again, there are so many lies and misconceptions floating around in some communities that Republicans could promise and follow through on everything these voters want, but would never make inroads because of the few influential loudmouths that shout them down with lies.
The core of conservatism is helping people help themselves. People are way better off taking care of themselves than they ever will be with government trying to do it. Conservatives also put a great value on family, charity, faith groups, and personal involvement and concern rather than faceless, uncaring, inefficient, incompetent government bureaucracy.
Most conservatives, however, have embraced the concept of a government nudge or lift, just not the level of reliance that liberals oddly seem to want.
It is always interesting how conservative wingnuts like to think of Liberals as socialists that are poor lazy shiftless bums that want everyone else's money.
In the next breath Liberals are over educated middle class yuppies.
Then in the next breath they claim the Liberals are rich elitists out of touch with "real America."
Wingnuts just type cast "liberals" as a straw man for people they hate, changing the straw man to fit the situation.
And Leftists don't typecast conservatives? Hmmmm
The truth is, Leftists are indeed socialists. What do you think a "Progressive" is? Those who support them, the "poor, lazy, shiftless bums," vote for them because of the free stuff the Progressives dole out (the redistributed plunder). They therefore view socialism as "good," which means they are themselves socialists.
The Democrats in positions of power are rich. Pelosi, Reid; almost every powerful Democrat you can name is rich.
Our educational institutions have been taken over by liberal elitists, and are rich 60's era hippies that have made it (Bill Ayers, for example) into academia.
That's the myth liberals have spread successfully due to screaming louder, and also with ample help of the media and entertainment political machines.
You also have to consider the seemingly insurmountable hill conservatives have to climb trying to reach these voters. Again, there are so many lies and misconceptions floating around in some communities that Republicans could promise and follow through on everything these voters want, but would never make inroads because of the few influential loudmouths that shout them down with lies.
The core of conservatism is helping people help themselves. People are way better off taking care of themselves than they ever will be with government trying to do it. Conservatives also put a great value on family, charity, faith groups, and personal involvement and concern rather than faceless, uncaring, inefficient, incompetent government bureaucracy.
Most conservatives, however, have embraced the concept of a government nudge or lift, just not the level of reliance that liberals oddly seem to want.
What myth?
conservatives don't even try to connect to those voters because conservatives think the worst about them and think those groups are hurting America.
Why do conservatives think liberals want everyone to be lazy?
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
I'm just speculating here...
But it seems to me that reasonable conservatives don't hold that viewpoint. It's the hard right teabaggers (who have a heavy presence in this forum) who seem to think that they're the only ones working hard and everyone else in the USA and abroad is a leach, existing off their efforts and contributing nothing in return.
In a nutshell, they seem to feel that it's "all about them" and anyone not directly involved with them is an unwashed, unworthy waste of human flesh.
A narrow, simplistic and obviously horribly flawed outlook on life, but it's apparent here in POC daily and in capital letters.
conservatism does reject those groups. and one of the more awful ways they express this rejection is to suggest to those voters, that they want free stuff and the conservatives won't give them free stuff.
This is the kind of twisted thinking of conservatism.
One of the ways to express rejection is to say someone wants something and then not give it to them.
So if they didn't want it, according to your own words, then it isn't really rejection to not give it to them.
You've proven yourself wrong with your own words.
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conservatives see their party is not diverse, but instead of thinking hey what are conservatives doing to not attract a more diverse group of American voters, conservatives say oh those voters are just lazy and want free stuff.
Wheras you say the voters are in need and will vote for the party that meets those needs. It's the same thing. You just make it about being compassionate instead of buying votes. It's just spin.
Whether they are lazy or in need isn't really relevant to the bottom line. The bottom line is that people are voting for a party which will give them something.
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The core of conservatism is exclusion.
Only in your mind. Because you just claimed that the things conservatives want to exclude aren't things that people really wanted in the first place. How can we exclude someone by not giving them something they didn't want?
If you're going to make an argument, at least try to have it make some rational sense.
As a conservative leaning person I hate labels. I do not like being labeled as uncaring and a religious nut. I do not go to church and I could care less about gay marriage. It does not bother me. As for saying all liberals want to promote poverty and laziness that is the same thing as labeling all conservatives as uncaring and religious nuts. I do think the liberal leaning people tend to want more social programs and to keep expanding them way too much. I believe in giving a helping hand to those in genuine need but it is not a way of life. Too many people have made it so. We all need to work together conservatives and liberals and figure out a balanced system. But I doubt that will ever happen.
The problem is the liberal voters are completely clueless about what is happening globally now to the dollar and what that means. The mainstream media refuses to cover the news or glosses over it.
And the welfare crowd simply believes they can have more money, more money, more money --- and the liberal politicians lead them to believe this way. It's all about putting all their trust in big government and wild spending programs. Liberal voters honestly believe there should be no limits on how many welfare handouts there can be nor on how many people can live out their lives on welfare handouts.
Liberal voters honestly believe there should be no limits on how many welfare handouts there can be nor on how many people can live out their lives on welfare handouts.
Wrong.
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Why do conservatives think liberals want everyone to be lazy?
