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This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
Ill put it this way. They have a funny way of showing it. Sure appears to me, a lot of the entitlement programs and the like do next to nothing on solving problems and encouraging people to strive to better themselves. The governments responsibility and role was never supposed to involve basically taking from some to give to others, regardless if the receivers are really trying on their own or not. The government has gotten involved in things it shouldnt have a long time ago, and its just snow balled and gotten worse.
We shouldve have stuck with charity. Charity and churches should do more for the poor and unfortunate, not the government.
all liberals are not one in the same, but you are basically laying out what a strong central government should or shouldnt do rather than what one is or isnt.
even a weak central government can do the things you said...at least in theory and so can a strong one.
What I am basically objecting to is the idea that liberals want a strong central government and conservatives don't. We have words like libertarian and statist, because they describe different views about the role government far more accurately then liberal or conservative.
Basically what I am saying is the idea that liberals are for a strong central government and conservatives are against it is incorrect because both liberals and conservatives tend have different ideas as to what government should take a proactive role in, but both can be for or against strong central government depending on the issue.
Basically you can be any combination of the 4.
An example of a conservative and statist ideology is Facism.
An example of a conservative and libertarian ideology is Feudalism
An example of a liberal and statist ideology is Communism
An example of a liberal and libertarian ideology is Anarchy.
Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
Government also encourages corporate welfare using tax dollar. Liberals will be the first to scream about corporate welfare as a defense that it's ok for them to live off someone else's dollar. Don't worry poor people, you don't even have to try to improve your skills. If you don't have marketable skills that pay good money, if you can't find a job, no worries we will pay your way.
Both always get off the hook. What signal do you think that is sending to both people on welfare and corporations.
This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
Because liberals always just want to expand the many government handouts which by now anyone with half a brain knows just keeps people lazy and unemployed.
You don't see liberals wanting anything done about massive immigration of very impoverished people whose lack of education means they will be dependent on the government, and liberals don't want anything done about the "free trade" and export of jobs.
Liberals act like work and jobs is a cruel punishment when in fact jobs would be the best social program by far for the indigent Americans.
Not necessarily. Liberals are far less likely then conservatives to want a strong central government when it comes to public morality, minority rights, and the security state.
The actual difference lies in the definition of morality. Liberals very much want a strong central government when it comes to imposing gay rights and affirmative action and abortion and the rest of their agenda. They may adamantly abhor any morality if it hints at Christian morality, but if it's what liberals consider holy, they have no trouble at all with a very strong central government.
It's an exaggeration, and they use it to try and scare liberals into abandoning their positions.
The idea is that if you support welfare, food stamps, or other government programs/assistance, then you're encouraging people to be lazy. Conservatives believe that if these programs weren't available, people would be forced to work harder and strive for better pay.
Most of the smart ones realize that isn't what liberals intend, but they believe that liberals are just oblivious to the potential negative implications of social programs. So they keep pointing it out and exaggerating the insults.
Conservatives and liberals both generally care about the common good, but they have very different theories about what's best for people. Conservatives are like the parent that believes in "tough love" and favors letting a kid get into trouble and suffer consequences, and denying them an allowance, hoping it will force them to be more enterprising. Like an average Dad, if you will. Liberals are like the parent that wants to give their kids every chance to be happy, buy them gifts, help them go to school, and protect them from danger directly. Like an average Mom, I guess.
If you think of conservatives as being father figures, and liberals as being mother figures, you'll have a pretty good idea of their mentality. Unfortunately, they seem like a couple on the verge of getting a divorce. And as you know, it's always the kids that suffer most in a divorce.
I would venture its due to their primary focus revolving around entitlement programs and not jobs and self sufficiency. Do a search on this forum for some of the most liberal posters. Find posts where they argue that we need to create jobs and pull people out of entitlement programs to reduce entitlement spending. Add to that how they argue to accomplish this. My guess is, you'll find few if any.
Now do another search on liberals arguing to increase or extend entitlements and taxing the life out if others to support them.
Anyone who completes this exercise will find their own answer to the OP's question.
Like it or not liberals do not support self sufficiency. A vast majority function on the herd mentality and believe that everyone should be equal by raping those they perceive as having more than they do. The common liberal thread is undeniable.
Most Conservatives and Republicans tend not to really understand Democrats and people on the left. Don't get me wrong they often love to come up with theories and ideas about people on the left, but they really just don't get them. Thus why Barack Obama being elected twice is such a source of confusion for so many people on the right.
People on the left say we're racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, greedy, uncaring, sexists. What's not to get? We want dirty air and water. We want to make America a theocracy. We hate Obama because he's black. We want to throw grandma off a cliff. We want to put black people back in chains. We want children with downs syndrome to get no healthcare. It's pretty clear how people on the left think. You haven't exactly made your hatred and bigotry of anybody who doesn't agree with you a secret.
Everyone tends to be "lazy" unless they are incentivized otherwise....look at what happened when you socialize an economy in the Soviet Union and China (before their economic model became capitalist)....hundreds of millions of lazy people. People react to how they are incentivized which is what I don't think "Liberals" understand or appreciate.
I would say by their actions, right now the {D} party is pushing for UE extensions for 99 weekers. I thought the economy was so much better now? why the need for a extension? and why give more money to people that have not worked in 99 weeks?
This premise doesn't make one bit of sense at all, yet it's one of the most parroted lines in all of C-D. Liberals want everyone to be lazy and on government handouts. First of all, if liberals wanted everyone on government handouts and not working, there wouldn't be any money to give out in the first place! Where did this allegation originate from, and why does it persist so? It's gotta be one of the most idiotic fallacies in the English language
Well, they must want everyone to be lazy, because the Democrats (= liberals, or Progressives) are extracting millions of dollars from the so-called "rich" (productive people) and redistributing it to people who find that they no longer need to work, because the Democrats are giving them all they could possibly want. Free phones, free food ... Who needs to work? They make more money staying home.
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