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Old 12-13-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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Feeding the hungry out of the kindness of your heart is one thing, giving them enough hope to motivate them to turn their life around is another.

 
Old 12-13-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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Think about it. The US is losing jobs, wages are declining, there is social unrest, and now you want to take God out of the equation as well?

Are you sure you're ready for that?

Although, admittedly, I have trouble with the notion that people actually believe there are ultimately no consequences for their actions. To me, it defies logic, but clearly real atheists do exists.

So those who are both ruthless and intelligent atheists will likely adapt to their circumstances and make the most out of their opportunities, perhaps as your expense.

It's only logical.
 
Old 12-13-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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I'm assuming, like their Christian counterparts, atheist organizations are teaching their doctrine or else they wouldn't self identify as an atheist charitable organization.

So, in contrast to Christianity, which spreads hope and redemption to the most desperate amongst us, atheist doctrine spreads the opposite, a demoralizing message of despair and misery.

As an atheist, by speaking your doctrine, you are essentially telling a homeless person that their lives will likely never get better, and there is nothing to look forward to except getting older and weaker before they cease to exist.

Homelessness is often worse than spending life in prison, so perhaps an atheist organization could tell them to commit crimes, so they can get three square meals a day and a place to sleep. Certainly, that is more tolerable life than one of homelessness, is it not?

I just don't see the purpose.

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What does religion have to do with giving. Giving comes from the heart and atheists are not heartless. They care for their fellow man. Atheists do not believe in an unknown entity who they are expected to worship. They believe in themselves. What is wrong with that?
 
Old 12-13-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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As an atheist, ... you are essentially telling a homeless person that their lives will likely never get better, and there is nothing to look forward to except getting older and weaker before they cease to exist.
Who's to say that a homeless person's life won't get better?

Does everyone have to be in the business of predicting the future?
 
Old 12-13-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Who's to say their lives won't get better?

Does everyone have to be in the business of predicting the future?
I've been around enough homeless people to know that it's rarely the case their lives get much better. Sometimes, they get together with several other homeless people and manage to rent a room in a house, and use the rest of the money to buy drugs and alcohol, but sometimes, they end up dying.

I've seen it before, and sometimes they leave behind kids, young kids, that are raised by the streets.
 
Old 12-13-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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I don't think feeding them and then telling them they will live a miserable life is a very kind deed. If I was homeless, I'd prefer to get fed, and read quotes from Jesus, such as "my treasure is in heaven," and "the least amongst us is the greatest."

I would want to look forward to my afterlife because realistically, depending on how far along I am along this path, my life will not get much better.
What? Neither of us knows of any message they told them. They simply fed them. Oh, the humanity!
 
Old 12-13-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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You asked what's wrong with self-belief.
I am a Catholic and believe in god. But I think what religion did for me was to give me self worth and to believe in myself. I think that's the greatest gift god could give.
 
Old 12-13-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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I am a Catholic and believe in god. But I think what religion did for me was to give me self worth and to believe in myself. I think that's the greatest gift god could give.
Exactly. I agree whole heartedly. But you see, you believe in yourself for all the right reasons.
 
Old 12-13-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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I've been around enough homeless people to know that it's rarely the case their lives get much better. Sometimes, they get together with several other homeless people and manage to rent a room in a house, and use the rest of the money to buy drugs and alcohol, but sometimes, they end up dying.

I've seen it before, and sometimes they leave behind kids, young kids, that are raised by the streets.
I can see how that might be somebody's experience. But I believe in hope for change and that a person's current condition is not necessarily their destiny for the rest of their lives.

Plus, the act of providing food to someone who is hungry and cannot afford food is an inherent act of moral good to most humans - regardless of any future course of events in that person's life.

Do you think that a person cannot believe in hope, purpose in life or morality without believing in God?
 
Old 12-13-2013, 10:52 PM
 
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I'm assuming, like their Christian counterparts, atheist organizations are teaching their doctrine or else they wouldn't self identify as an atheist charitable organization.

So, in contrast to Christianity, which spreads hope and redemption to the most desperate amongst us, atheist doctrine spreads the opposite, a demoralizing message of despair and misery.

As an atheist, by speaking your doctrine, you are essentially telling a homeless person that their lives will likely never get better, and there is nothing to look forward to except getting older and weaker before they cease to exist.

Homelessness is often worse than spending life in prison, so perhaps an atheist organization could tell them to commit crimes, so they can get three square meals a day and a place to sleep. Certainly, that is more tolerable life than one of homelessness, is it not?

I just don't see the purpose.

Thoughts?
I'm not religious. My employer was participating in a Thanksgiving food drive for those in need and I bought a turkey. I had no motive and completely voluntary. We ended up helping 200 families.

[it is/was the right thing to do]
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