Light bulb ban (dollars, rating, gun, website)

[Workin_Hard]

Originally Posted by surfman

I'm glad they banned incandescent bulbs. It's a century old technology which wastes huge amounts of energy on heat. I've switched my whole house to high lumen LED's. Even though it cost more than $1000, my electric bill has dropped over 20%. I figure I'll be even in just over a year.

If you wish to do so, good for you. As a mandate for everyone, it's ridiculous and for many unaffordable to do so. I'm glad I have my "stash".

Originally Posted by surfman

I'm not a tree hugger, but this is one "green thing" that makes total sense, and I've cut my carbon footprint way way down. Next will be a 3kw grid tie solar system.

And I don't recycle and thrown burnt out CFLs in the trash. They make a lovely tinkling noise! (The only place I've put them is in the basement and I'm disappointed with the results.)

Seriously, who gives a rat's a$$ about their personal carbon footprint?

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

Why? Why should ANY light bulb be banned?

Because, until you are making your own electricity, which I assume you are not, you are sharing a power grid with everyone else. Power is not an unlimited resource, is not able to be stored for future use, and must be generated at the time of need. As well, power grids can handle only a certain amount of electricity. As more areas get more built up, more strain is put on the grid. If everyone uses an excessive amount of electricity, the grid shuts down leaving everyone without it. Cue energy-saving measures to allow more stuff to happen on the same grid.

I know this cuts into Teh Freedomz, but it's really not a big deal.

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

The idea of the government deciding what light bulb you should buy is utter insanity. It's worthy of armed revolt.

An armed revolt? Over light bulbs with equal replacements? Wow…I knew conservatives could be crazy, but this kind of talks the cake.

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

Yeah, it costs you 4 times as much and they last half as long. Then you put them in the garbage - massively more e-waste. Idiocy beyond belief.

Then don't use CFLs. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Workin_Hard

Seriously, who gives a rat's a$$ about their personal carbon footprint?

Most people who aren't a$$holes?

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Because, until you are making your own electricity, which I assume you are not, you are sharing a power grid with everyone else. Power is not an unlimited resource, is not able to be stored for future use, and must be generated at the time of need. As well, power grids can handle only a certain amount of electricity. As more areas get more built up, more strain is put on the grid. If everyone uses an excessive amount of electricity, the grid shuts down leaving everyone without it. Cue energy-saving measures to allow more stuff to happen on the same grid.

I know this cuts into Teh Freedomz, but it's really not a big deal.

How much energy are we saving by having to ship these from China as opposed to them manufactured here?

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Because, until you are making your own electricity, which I assume you are not, you are sharing a power grid with everyone else.

Yeah, just like we share a food chain. Are you prepared to accept quotas and restrictions on your personal diet, so no theoretical future shortages of food will happen?

Power is not an unlimited resource, is not able to be stored for future use, and must be generated at the time of need.

Same as food. I presume you're open to having congress regulate your diet, right?

As well, power grids can handle only a certain amount of electricity.

As does our agricultural production system. Can I assume you're going to let some politicians decide what you can eat?

As more areas get more built up, more strain is put on the grid.

More of the same insanity.

If everyone uses an excessive amount of electricity, the grid shuts down leaving everyone without it. Cue energy-saving measures to allow more stuff to happen on the same grid.

Here's a clue for you: This one magnificently stupid argument. ARe you done yet?

I know this cuts into Teh Freedomz, but it's really not a big deal.

According to the same logic, your purchases at the grocery store should be limited to what Congress thinks you should eat.

An armed revolt? Over light bulbs with equal replacements? Wow…I knew conservatives could be crazy, but this kind of talks the cake.

Anyone telling you what you can and cannot do, when it does not touch another person... Is cause for armed revolt. You don't think so, because you think you should be controlled by politicians. Here's another clue? The rest of us are not that kind of idiot, nor are we pawns for their games. The purpose for government is to ENSURE our "freedomz", not take them.

Most people who aren't a$$holes?

True, but there's plenty who think that the government should make their decisions for them, even minute and unimportant details like light bulbs - and those are the worst kind.

[juppiter]

Originally Posted by Workin_Hard

But we already have lamps that everyone likes, well, except the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do leaders. When I drive late night past the White House and see only a small lamp shining from the residence, and then past the Capitol and see no lights on there, and the same with every damn government building in DC, then we'll talk about the lights in MY house!

Everyone likes them because they have always had them. Believe me, we will live. We cannot buy the lightbulbs we have always had is so #firstworldproblems it's ridiculous. There are billions with no light bulbs at all.

Ultimately this will benefit all of us. Frankly I am upset the government did not go further and confiscate every single incandescent bulb out there.

[surfman]

Originally Posted by Globe199

Unless you're taking cooling and heating days into account, you really don't know how much money you're saving. Our power consumption is largely computers and climate control. Do they make an LED furnace?

Being that I live in Cali, this is of little consequence.


Do you consider incandescent light bulbs a source of heating? I think the only ones hurting from this are those who rely on easy bake ovens for their broiling needs.

Shouldn't heating be left to... I dunno... heaters?

[surfman]

Originally Posted by Workin_Hard

If you wish to do so, good for you. As a mandate for everyone, it's ridiculous and for many unaffordable to do so. I'm glad I have my "stash".



And I don't recycle and thrown burnt out CFLs in the trash. They make a lovely tinkling noise! (The only place I've put them is in the basement and I'm disappointed with the results.)

Seriously, who gives a rat's a$$ about their personal carbon footprint?

Okay, so let me get this straight. You're saying that incandescent bulbs are better for the poor? There are 75w led replacements for as little as $10 a bulb now. This means that the poor will not have to replace a bulb for 20+ years, and save 50% on their lighting energy.

As I said, I'm not a tree hugger, but switching from incandescent and CFL bulbs to LED makes perfect sense. I'm glad you have your 100 year old energy inefficient stash of screw in glow wires. You will certainly show me how to pay less for a bulb, while paying more for the energy to run them. I feel so ignorant now.

[surfman]

Originally Posted by juppiter

Everyone likes them because they have always had them. Believe me, we will live. We cannot buy the lightbulbs we have always had is so #firstworldproblems it's ridiculous. There are billions with no light bulbs at all.

Ultimately this will benefit all of us. Frankly I am upset the government did not go further and confiscate every single incandescent bulb out there.

Okay, so I won't go that far. The government has no business confiscating anything, let alone light bulbs.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

Yeah, just like we share a food chain. Are you prepared to accept quotas and restrictions on your personal diet, so no theoretical future shortages of food will happen?

Same as food. I presume you're open to having congress regulate your diet, right?

What? Are you serious? Food can't be stored and must be generated at the exact time it is used? What planet are you living on? There are warehouses full of food all over the place (being...stored), and America probably throws away more perfectly good food each day than many countries consume. Jesus Christ...this is some crazy ****.

As does our agricultural production system. Can I assume you're going to let some politicians decide what you can eat?

If our sources of food were actually in danger and supplies were becoming scarce, someone's going to have to work it out. I know I wouldn't trust people with your set of ideals. Plus, adding to the food supply is not nearly as difficult as rebuilding the power grid.

More of the same insanity.

Huh. So insanity is noting that when areas get built up, they use more electricity. You are on fire tonight, dude!! Next thing you'll tell me is that it's insane to think you get wet when you jump into water!

Here's a clue for you: This one magnificently stupid argument. Are you done yet?

Well, now you're just trolling (hint: I knew that at the first word). If people use more electricity than the system can generate, what do you think happens? Have you seriously never heard of a rolling blackout? Or, just a blackout? Have you ever plugged too many things into an outlet in your house? What happens?

According to the same logic, your purchases at the grocery store should be limited to what Congress thinks you should eat.

Like I said above, if we got into a true famine, I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it would go. Or else we all just kill each other until the people who want it have all the food. I'm sure that second part sounds better to you.

Anyone telling you what you can and cannot do, when it does not touch another person... Is cause for armed revolt. You don't think so, because you think you should be controlled by politicians. Here's another clue? The rest of us are not that kind of idiot, nor are we pawns for their games. The purpose for government is to ENSURE our "freedomz", not take them.

I tried to explain it to you, but I don't think you understand. Try to follow along: You. Share. The. Power. Grid. With. Other. People. You are not an island unto yourself. And since most power grids are publicly-run, guess what? The government regulates it, and can regulate energy efficiency to make sure that the grid keeps working for everyone else.

You guys and your armed revolts. You're so cute.

True, but there's plenty who think that the government should make their decisions for them, even minute and unimportant details like light bulbs - and those are the worst kind.

I honestly don't know a single person who thinks like that, and most people here would consider me a total socialist commie liberal. It just fascinates me that people get so wound up over the discontinuance of an inefficient item, when a more efficient and functionally identical item is right there. That's when you know your life is lame and boring...when you need to throw hissy fits about having a better option for something. It's even funnier that I work in the lighting industry and there's less talk about it there than there is here.


This post has shown me that people in this forum just want to say stuff and be angry, even if it's completely unfounded and meaningless. This is why I don't believe most of the tripe posted here.

[hogfamily]

You ever try to get a CFL bulb to light at minus 25-30 degrees?