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Old 12-18-2013, 02:13 AM
 
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I'd vote for him again before any of the right wing crazies the Republicans are putting out these days. Ted Cruz anyone?!
That kind of blind faith -- coupled with a distinct lack of critical thinking skills -- is what has led us to the place we currently find ourselves.

 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:25 AM
 
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If what you post is accurate, then it is an intentional provocation and will force Russia's hand. Poor foreign policy in my opinion.
The very last thing it will do is force Russia's hand. Russia has a very large and very persecuted gay population that is desperate for someone to help them and they will rise up to stand for their rights. They already are rising up!

An increasingly gay friendly world is looking at Russia to stop its persecution of minorities.

I don't understand why Russia, a European country, has tried for so long to distance itself from the rest of Europe when it comes to human rights. I'm not just talking about gay people either. This can be traced back to the Holodomor, to Serfdom, to so many other things. I just don't understand why they always want to be on the wrong side of human rights when so many of Russia's neighbors are on the right side.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:27 AM
 
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Do we want to become enemies with Russia? Is that in our best national interests? Do we really think these kind of grade school stunts will change Russia's culture or laws?
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:28 AM
 
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That kind of blind faith -- coupled with a distinct lack of critical thinking skills -- is what has led us to the place we currently find ourselves.
Are we in a bad place? Last I checked the economy has gotten better with pretty much each passing month.

I have good critical thinking skills. In fact, I have a few pieces of paper to prove it.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:31 AM
 
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Do we want to become enemies with Russia? Is that in our best national interests? Do we really think these kind of grade school stunts will change Russia's culture or laws?
This isn't grade school stunts. This is human rights, and Obama has for fronted this fight more than any American president has. Even when polls said it wasn't best to do so.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:32 AM
 
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Are we in a bad place? Last I checked the economy has gotten better with pretty much each passing month.

I have good critical thinking skills. In fact, I have a few pieces of paper to prove it.

Of course it has -- because the Obama administration told you it has, right??

Never confuse "pieces of paper" with good critical thinking skills. They are completely different.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 03:00 AM
 
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Of course it has -- because the Obama administration told you it has, right??
Or they actually researched on their own using sources not linked or directly from the Obama administration and came to this conclusion themselves. Hard to believe, I know.

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Never confuse "pieces of paper" with good critical thinking skills. They are completely different.
If said pieces of paper are college degrees and said college degrees are from reputable legitimate colleges then, then the argument can be made that "pieces of paper" can be used to prove someone has critical thinking skills.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 03:28 AM
 
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This isn't grade school stunts. This is human rights, and Obama has for fronted this fight more than any American president has. Even when polls said it wasn't best to do so.
You are however missing several key points.

1. Russia, whether we like it or not has LAWS that outlaw speaking about gay rights, where a child can hear the statements.
2. The person chosen by Obama is admittedly a homosexual.
3. If our representative says 1 thing positive about gay rights, while on Russian soil that a Russian minor can hear, then Russia can arrest him on sight, and ship him back to the U.S. under their law.

As soon as #3 takes place, Obama's snub becomes a counter snub, with no answer back allowed, and it makes Obama, hence America look stupid, yet again.

Obama's "pieces of paper", which a previous person here has stated should prove critical thinking skills being from a reputable establishment of higher learning have been proven otherwise on any number of occasions. One would think that LYING is counterproductive, and adverse to critical thinking skills, yet he has done so, over and over, and now, he proves yet again, those skills are absent, in sending Several openly homosexual people to Russia.

In all actuality, he has put the Russian leader in a position of power over our delegates, and technically, that leader could refuse entry of our delegates under Russian law. That would put Obama where?
 
Old 12-18-2013, 03:31 AM
 
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Tit for Tat.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 03:33 AM
 
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Tit for Tat.
So, are we going to be put in the position of negotiating for Bille Jean's release from a Russian prison? Is this a case of who blinks first between Putin and Obama?
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