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The SCOTUS did not rule Prop 8 unconstitutional. It merely ruled that the appellants had no standing and thus had to allow the lower court ruling(given by an openly gay judge) remain in effect.
Hollingsworth v, Perry was decided on procedural grounds, not constitutional grounds.
Hollingsworth v. Perry was ruled unconstitutional by a district court in California. That ruling was upheld by the 9th Circuit. Then it was dismissed on standing issues. I never claimed the Supreme Court ruled on the constitutional merits of this case. I said that it will be considered precedent, which is correct.
Keep in mind this was a court decision, and does not mean that the majority of people in New Mexico support gay marriage, only that some activist judges do, probably ones appointed by Democrat governors.
Civil rights should not be subject to a popular vote. Period.
At the time Loving v. Virginia the overwhelming opinion of blacks marrying whites was extremely negative. The unpopularity of miscegenation didn't stop the US Supreme Court from doing the right thing: overturning the last 17 states' antimescegenation laws.
How have people had their lives ruined by marriage being upheld as a union between a man and a woman?
People have lost the homes they shared with their lifelong partners. A couple in Florida was not allowed to be together (this includes their children, btw) as one of them died from a brain aneurysm. Two elderly men in California were forcibly separated during their last couple of years by their families.
Existing non-marital legal documents like wills and power of attorney were useless in all of these cases, and cost thousands more than a marriage license that confers all those benefits and more. And you've provided no reason to continue this discrimination other than not wanting to share the word marriage.
This is why those who oppose marriage equality are considered bigots.
Gay couples do not and have never had a constitutional right to marry.
Do you think that people 15 years old should have the right to marry? After all, the relationship is consensual.
How about people having more than one wife or husband? That is also consensual.
How about Harrier marrying his cat? She wouldn't object.
Children and animals cannot sign legal contracts, which is what a marriage is. Our current legal framework does not work for multiple marriages. I'd support it once the polygamous figure out how that would work, but so far, not a peep. Maybe we could discuss gay marriage instead, since that's actually an issue, and none of the others are.
The Prop 8 case was decided on constitutional grounds.
Harrier disagrees with the decision because he believes that Walker pulled that ruling out of...well, we won't go there.
Are you now dismissing the very argument that the gay army makes, that gay marriage is about equal rights under the 14th Amendment?
Is it your opinion that the 14th Amendment isn't valid?
If you disagree with the ruling, please provide one example of a compelling argument from your side's case. Their own witness accidentally switched sides while on the witness stand and testified against Prop 8 during the trial.
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