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Old 12-20-2013, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I know people think I am crazy upon insisting that single payer was the ultimate goal of the government and health care in thread...

Single Payer Government Controlled Health Care is What We Should Be Fighting Against



It's now on the table officially.

Bernie Sanders introduces The American Health Security Act

The American Health Security Act of 2013 (S. 1782) provides every American with affordable and comprehensive health care services through the establishment of a national American Health Security Program (the Program) that requires each participating state to set up and administer a state single payer health program. The Program provides universal health care coverage for the comprehensive services required under S. 1782 and incorporates Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and TRICARE (the Department of Defense health care program), but maintains health care programs under the Veterans Affairs Administration. Private health insurance sold by for-profit companies could only exist to provide supplemental coverage.


Other highlights...

...a national data-collection system with uniform reporting by all providers, and a progressive financing system. It will provide universal coverage, benefits emphasizing primary and preventive care, and free choice of providers.

... A seven-member national board (the Board) appointed by the President will establish a national health budget specifying the total federal and state expenditures to be made for covered health care services.

... A Quality Council will develop and disseminate practice guidelines based on outcomes research and will profile health care professionals’ patterns of practice to identify outliers.

... The Program amends the tax code to create the American Health Security Trust Fund and appropriates to the Fund specified tax revenues, current health program receipts, and tax credits and subsidies under the Affordable Care Act.



This is the end game. This may be a starter bill that doesn't see the light of day - but it gets the ball rolling. And many of the Feds want this badly.

ObamaCare is a disaster by design. Single payer is their attempt to control 17% of the economy. This is their attempt to control a large portion of how people live by means of health care regulations.

What should be happening is citizens paying for their own care, and making their own decisions of what is in their best interest.

The single payer system has citizens paying government to manage all aspects of health care and to make decisions of what is in the best interest for the country. Just keep in mind that what is in the best interest of the country may not be what's in the best interest for you.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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This was in the works for awhile and I, among others, have posted threads about it weeks ago. Single Payer is the same as Medicare. What is the problem?

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A single-payer system, like Medicare, is the cure for America's ailing healthcare

Despite this unimpressive record, the US spends almost twice as much per person on healthcare as any other nation. As a result of an incredibly wasteful, bureaucratic, profit-making and complicated system, the US spends 17% of its gross domestic product – approximately $2.7tn annually– on healthcare. While insurance companies, drug companies, private hospitals and medical equipment suppliers make huge profits, Americans spend more and get less for their healthcare dollars.

The good news is that, in fact, a large-scale single-payer system already exists in the United States and its enrollees love it. It is called Medicare. Open to all Americans over 65 years of age, the program has been a resounding success since its introduction 48 years ago. Medicare should be expanded to cover all Americans.

Such a single-payer system would address one of the major deficiencies in the current system: the huge amount of money wasted on billing and administration. Hospitals and independent medical practices routinely employ more billing specialists than doctors – and that's not the end of it. Patients and their families spend an enormous amount of time and effort arguing with insurance companies and bill collectors over what is covered and what they owe. Drug companies and hospitals spend billions advertising their products and services.

A single-payer system, like Medicare, is the cure for America's ailing healthcare | Bernie Sanders | Comment is free | theguardian.com
...and the article goes on to explain all the benefits of a single payer system.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:41 AM
 
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This was in the works for awhile and I, among others, have posted threads about it weeks ago. Single Payer is the same as Medicare. What is the problem?



...and the article goes on to explain all the benefits of a single payer system.
That the GOP base will have to learn to "share".
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:49 AM
 
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That the GOP base will have to learn to "share".
Single Payer was actually what was wanted all along. The ACA is what the right wing designed and were for before they were against it. If The ACA is a stepping stone to Single Payer all the better. Good for Senator Sanders. And you are correct btw...
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:51 AM
 
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Single Payer was actually what was wanted all along. The ACA is what the right wing designed and were for before they were against it. If The ACA is a stepping stone to Single Payer all the better. Good for Senator Sanders. And you are correct btw...
I was always for Medicare expansion as well. I don't think calling it Single Payer is a good idea. Hardly any American knows what single payer really means, just look at the nutjob responses on C-D for an idea. Medicare for all, Medicare expansion, etc., any of those work fine.

Yep. They want to keep Medicare all for themselves, to hell with everyone else. I got mine, now *********. Conservatives are government leeches in denial
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:55 AM
 
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I was always for Medicare expansion as well. I don't think calling it Single Payer is a good idea. Hardly any American knows what single payer really means, just look at the nutjob responses on C-D for an idea. Medicare for all, Medicare expansion, etc., any of those work fine.

Yep. They want to keep Medicare all for themselves, to hell with everyone else. I got mine, now *********. Conservatives are government leeches in denial
Agreed and rep to you...

Vermont is going that route, regardless of what the rest of the states do.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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That the GOP base will have to learn to "share".
As long as everyone pays the same amount in taxes to support it... Sounds fair doesn't it?
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Old 12-20-2013, 01:05 AM
 
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As long as everyone pays the same amount in taxes to support it... Sounds fair doesn't it?
New York pays higher taxes than Alaska. Send us a check ASAP please.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Bernie Sanders is an independent. The bill won't go anywhere.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You ready for a FICA hike of near 8% if not more to pay for it ?
That's a 15% FICA tax to all employees.

That even means those burger flippers on min wage.

I say 8% because that is what Vermont is looking at for their implementation in 2017.
Their studies say they need a 19% new payroll tax (11% employer, 8% employee) plus a new consumption tax.
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