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I am not benefited by Path to citizenship/amnesty directly, but I have a couple of questions for everyone against it
1. Path to citizenship is only for the illegals who are already in the country, right ? Meaning those people who support our current life style by producing cheaper food ( veggies, fruits, fast food, restaurants etc) and cheaper services (everything from Lawn care to car wash).
First off, if amnesty was granted, how long would those agriculture workers stay on the farms? Not very long, because they could then apply to any job they want. Plenty of low end jobs in the big cities, where they would stand to make a bit more, live on welfare, and send their children to better public schools. And our food is cheap due to many factors besides cheap labor... Mass industrialized farming, coupled with subsidies makes agriculture a lucrative, profitable industry, while still allowing farmers to sell their product cheap. They are so competitive today that most of the Mexican farmers have long abandon their farms in Mexico after NAFTA was signed. What do you think they did after that?
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2. If you are looking at the other end, if you restrict business hiring in US ( by enforcing laws on who they hire and what they pay) do you think they have incentive to hire in US ? Just as in when you push the fast food giants to pay $15/hour to the guy at cash counter, they are looking to replace him with a tablet than increasing the pay.
There have always been rules in place to regulate business. Would you rather have a free for all, no holds barred private sector? Maybe they should be able to use whips, so they can squeeze a little more sweat equity out of the worker? I mean, it would be great for business, right??? Maybe we should eliminate minimum wage so American textile workers can earn 50 cents an hour, making them competitive against workers in India?
I'm not sure what the $15/hr has to do with illegal migrant laborers. No politician has proposed such an idea that I am aware of. Back to the point though, in most cases, if the businesses want to do business here, they have to abide by the regulations in place. At least, that's the way I think they should behave. No other country allows companies to get away with hiring undocumented workers, except in very unique circumstances (no local workers, etc.) In this country though, some of the pro business types believe they should be able to rewrite the rule book, penning in rules that would give them an overwhelming and even unfair advantage. Yes, if we could only decimate the earning potential of the legal citizens!!!
The same law of supply and demand, when applied at a global scale doesn't work for hiring in US. Cheap labor is the reason behind China filing up Walmarts and eventually American households with inexpensive everything.
On the other side, Multinationals ( from Microsoft to Google, Bank of America to Citibank) are moving thousands of jobs offshore as they get their work done cheaper. Any laws that restrict their hiring in US doesn't help this situation.
Would say we got look for ways to improve the value proposition for US workers ( if not cheaper, find ways, jobs that can still add value at the current wage levels) than trying to handle this by enforcing businesses to hire US.
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They aren't supporting our lifestyle we are having to subsidize them through our taxes. Illegals never pay in enough taxes to cover those costs. Also, they are taking jobs that should go to Americans and reducing wages. It's simply nonsense that any of our goods are cheaper via illegal alien labor. Those that hire them just pocket the profits. All the jobs you mentioned have been stolen from Americans by them working cheaper. As for picking crops there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal foreign crop pickers.
Employers will have plenty of incentive to hire Americans if these illegals were deported. It is the law of supply and demand.
The same law of supply and demand, when applied at a global scale doesn't work for hiring in US. Cheap labor is the reason behind China filing up Walmarts and eventually American households with inexpensive everything.
On the other side, Multinationals ( from Microsoft to Google, Bank of America to Citibank) are moving thousands of jobs offshore as they get their work done cheaper. Any laws that restrict their hiring in US doesn't help this situation.
Would say we got look for ways to improve the value proposition for US workers ( if not cheaper, find ways, jobs that can still add value at the current wage levels) than trying to handle this by enforcing businesses to hire US.
Both outsourcing and illegal immigration is hurting American job opportunities. That's what needs to be fixed. Make it unattractive to hire foreigners either here or out of this country for American based jobs. One acception is that employers should have the right to hire "legal" immigrants in this country not illegal aliens. We cannot be the employment agency to the whole world without harming our own workers in opportunities and decent wages.
That puts him, like Christie and Rubio out of the running for 2016
Good, none of them would make a good president. We need a Republican to run who won't flip flop and stands up for the rule of law. Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama comes to mind although I don't think he has any inclinations to run for president.
The Bush family has always been very pro-illegal, as are most all big business republicans.
I blame that family for the immigration mess starting. I blame Obama for keeping it going. Both are looking out for their own gain instead of what is good for the American citizen. NAFTA is another thing that should never have happened. I am looking for some sane thinking person to come on the scene to save America.
The same law of supply and demand, when applied at a global scale doesn't work for hiring in US. Cheap labor is the reason behind China filing up Walmarts and eventually American households with inexpensive everything.
On the other side, Multinationals ( from Microsoft to Google, Bank of America to Citibank) are moving thousands of jobs offshore as they get their work done cheaper. Any laws that restrict their hiring in US doesn't help this situation.
Would say we got look for ways to improve the value proposition for US workers ( if not cheaper, find ways, jobs that can still add value at the current wage levels) than trying to handle this by enforcing businesses to hire US.
Uh; China ain't so cheap to build stuff in 2014. It's working age pop is going DOWN in numbers so wages there are going UP and fast.
The Bush family has always been very pro-illegal, as are most all big business republicans.
So what's the Dems' excuse, then?
Tea party folk are probably against it, but that just makes them "racists" to you leftists.
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