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Old 12-22-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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CNN’s Jake Tapper just comes out and says it:

I think the American people, honestly, want security over freedom.
- Jake Tapper


Compare that to Benjamin Franklin:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Franklin. I chose freedom. How about you?

You choose freedom, until one of your family members gets blown into a different zip code. Then you will be the first screaming and yelling about how we are "too open a society," and "there should be laws."

Spend a few weeks looking for your family members bodies parts spread all over the county. Then get back to me...
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Old 12-22-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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You choose freedom, until one of your family members gets blown into a different zip code. Then you will be the first screaming and yelling about how we are "too open a society," and "there should be laws."

Spend a few weeks looking for your family members bodies parts spread all over the county. Then get back to me...
This is laughable..... And ignorant
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Old 12-22-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
CNN’s Jake Tapper just comes out and says it:

I think the American people, honestly, want security over freedom.
- Jake Tapper

Compare that to Benjamin Franklin:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Franklin. I chose freedom. How about you?
In terms of what context exactly?
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Old 12-22-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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Yes, it's gone. You have almost none left.
I had no idea I lived in China. This is news to me. Last time I checked, I can criticize the government on here, and you too, without fear of reprimand unlike in China
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I prefer balance over extremes. Snooping the emails of the average american is an invasion of privacy. Snooping the emails of people with questionable connections is good police work.
As far as spying on other countries? No harm no foul.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee
CNN’s Jake Tapper just comes out and says it:

I think the American people, honestly, want security over freedom.
- Jake Tapper


Compare that to Benjamin Franklin:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Franklin. I chose freedom. How about you?
Only the sheeple want SECURITY because they blindly believe the BS told to them to keep them IN CONTROL!!!!!!!
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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CNN’s Jake Tapper just comes out and says it:

I think the American people, honestly, want security over freedom.
- Jake Tapper
Even if a majority did, they have no right to violate the freedoms of the minority who do not. Also, since a majority of Americans now believe the federal government is a threat to their personal rights and freedoms, more people fear the government more than terrorists than vice versa, 60% are more concerned about civil liberties than fighting terror, and 59% oppose the NSA snooping program, I would say that public opinion has left Jake Tapper behind. His statement may have been true a decade ago but now public opinion is vastly different. The public now recognize that they will in fact be less secure without the protection freedom provides against the government, and a government that suppresses and monitors everyone is that much less focused on seeking out terrorists.

Sorry, Jake - the American people have wised up to the predatory shenanigans of the regime you're obviously desperately trying to salvage.

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You choose freedom, until one of your family members gets blown into a different zip code. Then you will be the first screaming and yelling about how we are "too open a society," and "there should be laws."
Hard cases make bad law; my family being killed (and having their freedom violated) is no justification for someone else to violate the rights and freedoms of other innocent people. I am of sound and strong enough mind to recognize this and not let logic be overridden by grief; many others are not and have differing beliefs and inclinations on these issues. An excellent example would be the Newtown families who are against gun control, contrasted with the ones who are in favor of gun control.

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Spend a few weeks looking for your family members bodies parts spread all over the county. Then get back to me...
The odds of my entire family (or yours for that matter) being struck by lightning is higher than being killed in a terrorist attack, so don't act as if millions of bodies would be flying all over the country the second you stopped snooping and preying upon innocent citizens, the vast majority of which aren't even terrorists in the first place.

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I had no idea I lived in China. This is news to me. Last time I checked, I can criticize the government on here, and you too, without fear of reprimand unlike in China
Yes, I suppose this is such a friendly and enjoyable thing the government is doing to people who dare to protest about an issue, even when it doesn't have much to do with the government :



The government doesn't suppress talking, but doing anything to criticize the government is routinely (not reliably, but routinely) suppressed by the kind of arbitrary sadism and naked force that people like you have presented as heroic police work, and this government claims for itself unlimited power to imprison, torture, and kill anyone it chooses without even the most limited judicial review. The existence and utilization of a legalized power of this nature, on however small a scale, is what distinguishes a police state from a free state.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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I had no idea I lived in China. This is news to me. Last time I checked, I can criticize the government on here, and you too, without fear of reprimand unlike in China

Are you really sure of that?
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
CNN’s Jake Tapper just comes out and says it:

I think the American people, honestly, want security over freedom.
- Jake Tapper


Compare that to Benjamin Franklin:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Franklin. I chose freedom. How about you?
Me too.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Are you really sure of that?
Some people haven't heard of the IRS targeting the Tea Party, Snowden's revelations, charges levied against James Rosen, among so many other methods of intimidation used on those who dared to disagree with this government.
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