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Old 12-26-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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For those crying fraud - are you aware the most states issue an altered birth certificate for adopted kids? The names of the parents, sometimes the place of birth are changed. It is a lie, really. Fraud. But our society judged that this was best for the families involved.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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Welcome to the beginning of the end.... Rome 2.0
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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Fraud has a victim. If a guy who has undergone a sex change operation and lives as a women is given a birth certificate that says she's a women, who is the victim of fraud and how has that victim been harmed?
If the transgendered woman marries a man and she never reveals that she's transgender, that's fraudulent. That man cannot have children with his new wife.

That's kinda something everyone should know about their partner -- allowing them to rewrite history to perpetuate a lie about who they are is simply not right.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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If the transgendered woman marries a man and she never reveals that she's transgender, that's fraudulent. That man cannot have children with his new wife.

That's kinda something everyone should know about their partner -- allowing them to rewrite history to perpetuate a lie about who they are is simply not right.
But how stupid would a guy have to be to not figure out at some point that it's not a woman he's sleeping with, no matter what has been chopped off? Plastic surgery, dealing only with the superficial outward appearance, is no that good. And mutilation, which is what this really amounts to, is an even less exact science.

This is a political argument about what to do with the mentally deranged, and facts are sorely missing from the discussion.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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If the transgendered woman marries a man and she never reveals that she's transgender, that's fraudulent. That man cannot have children with his new wife.

That's kinda something everyone should know about their partner -- allowing them to rewrite history to perpetuate a lie about who they are is simply not right.
That's true of any infertile women
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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Welcome to the beginning of the end.... Rome 2.0
Did I miss the US Empire establishing Christianity as our official religion?
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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Did I miss the US Empire establishing Christianity as our official religion?
No, but you missed the boat on logic.

heterosexual normativity and Christianity are not mutually inclusive....
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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The New Jersey state Senate has approved a bill that would require the state Health Department to issue a new birth certificate for people who have completed the clinical process of altering their gender.

The bill would require a new birth record for people who have undergone “clinically appropriate treatment for the purpose of gender transition, based on contemporary medical standards, or that the person has an intersex condition.
If I dyed my hair and bought contact lenses, can I get one that changes the color of my eyes and hair too?
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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No, but you missed the boat on logic.

heterosexual normativity and Christianity are not mutually inclusive....
It's only a matter of time before the pointy-toothed members of vampire groups in NJ lobby to get their birth certificates changed to say vampire rather then human. Or would vampire be their race?
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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It's only a matter of time before the pointy-toothed members of vampire groups in NJ lobby to get their birth certificates changed to say vampire rather then human. Or would vampire be their race?
They will have their day....before the political rent-seeking gets around to them, however, we have much more dire needs to cater to on the bucket list!!!

Like empathy for NAMBLA and the quest for pedophilia to be recognized as sexual orientation. Pedophiles are people who are kind and loving people too, you know?
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