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Uh, but what about BEFORE we found him in his hole? Check this out →
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According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule" Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million, including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion. Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000
It has went from state oppression and violence towards the people to sectarian and indiscriminate violence by the people (well a minority of the people).
I posted about this in another thread.. I think the U.S gained very LITTLE from the war in 2003 other than killing Saddam Hussein.. but gained nothing in the fight against terror and made the situation worse.. Fighting terror isn't war on a country - it is through intelligence and strategically cutting the head off of terrorist groups. I was totally against the 2003 war in Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - yet all for the justice brought to Osama Bin Laden and the continued - targeted and strategic hits on terrorist elements ie drone strikes etc.
The intelligence on Iraq in 2003 with respect to its WMD was completely off and there was more than enough warning. As a result Iraq is now a breeding ground for a whole new generation of anti U.S/anti west citizens who will become future terrorists because so many have lost innocent loved one's at the hands of Americans.
Now - was Saddam a brutal dictator - sure he was (and he got just rewards!!) but to what extent can we in the west police all nations of the world? Syria, North Korea etc have just as brutal dictators as Iraq did. I'm sure there's no love for many other nations and their brutal/human rights violating leaders but does this mean we can afford to go in and clean up shop everywhere? No and and at what cost to human lives are we willing to take to do this? Estimates range up to half/million Iraqi's dead as a result of the War since 2003 and close to 5000 Western Soldiers dead - not to mention the tens of thousands of mainly Americans scarred and injured for life... There has to be a better way! Plus - look at the debt of the U.S now as a result - trillions of dollars - gone!
I posted about this in another thread.. I think the U.S gained very LITTLE from the war in 2003 other than killing Saddam Hussein.. but gained nothing in the fight against terror and made the situation worse.. Fighting terror isn't war on a country - it is through intelligence and strategically cutting the head off of terrorist groups. I was totally against the 2003 war in Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - yet all for the justice brought to Osama Bin Laden and the continued - targeted and strategic hits on terrorist elements ie drone strikes etc.
The intelligence on Iraq in 2003 with respect to its WMD was completely off and there was more than enough warning. As a result Iraq is now a breeding ground for a whole new generation of anti U.S/anti west citizens who will become future terrorists because so many have lost innocent loved one's at the hands of Americans.
Now - was Saddam a brutal dictator - sure he was (and he got just rewards!!) but to what extent can we in the west police all nations of the world? Syria, North Korea etc have just as brutal dictators as Iraq did. I'm sure there's no love for many other nations and their brutal/human rights violating leaders but does this mean we can afford to go in and clean up shop everywhere? No and and at what cost to human lives are we willing to take to do this? Estimates range up to half/million Iraqi's dead as a result of the War since 2003 and close to 5000 Western Soldiers dead - not to mention the tens of thousands of mainly Americans scarred and injured for life... There has to be a better way! Plus - look at the debt of the U.S now as a result - trillions of dollars - gone!
The whole Iraq thing was so incredibly disingenuous. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, there were no WMDs (and anyone who believes our CIA and government did not know this is kidding themselves) and as far as having to get rid of a mean old dictator? Well there was a mean old dictator 90 miles away in Cuba that didn't seem to bother them at all, despite all of the Cuban-Americans living here who have a major interest in having the Cuban dictatorship destroyed. Iraq is different, but improved? It is impossible to tell--which is telling in itself. It was a huge folly, massive waste of money and never should have been a US priority. This is the result of ex-cold war hawks running the country. Bush was avenging his father, and Cheney and Rumsfeld never got over losing Viet Nam. They were always looking back instead of forward and we lost an entire decade of progress, while other countries surged ahead. Is Iraq better off? Shouldn't the question be is the US better because of that war? No it is not.
USA invaded Iraq because the iraqi army was strong enough to not allow Iran and USA play around and control our countries like right now, Saddam was not a dictator and he didn't kill any innocent, saddam did a lot of things for his people and i know as i have relatives living in iraq but he killed the Iranian spys and those who were trying to support iran to get into iraq, all arabs and iraqis are regretting the death of saddam because he was a man and he even protected and supported Kuwait during the time he was alive but this is a nasty Irani-american game somehow they got in some iranis who are holding Kuwaiti citizenship and messed up a lot on the iraqi borders and stole iraqi oil from there ( huge story no explain that now ) and then the US played her role by motivating Saddam to go on a war with Kuwait as they knew the results and its kind of shared benfits for both Iran and the US iran ( Drama making countries ) its easy to lie on you guys in the west and they can control your brains so easy to make you believe in tons of bull and falsehoods and make arabs and Muslims and everything related to us look horrible and full of terrorism even on the internet there is nowhere you can find the real truth of whats going on here and who are us you even have no idea how osama bin laden got killed or whether he is dead or not with a government even killing her own people in an indirect very well planned ways and claim its terrorists its Arabs to have more excuses and make you go on rage and think that we deserve whats happening to us.. FOR GOD SAKE how can you believe that terrorists have such abilities and a military craft to fly all that way to north america and fly inside the US without them noticing and then hit your building like that?? my Father's friend couple of years ago flied with glider not over but close to a US base by fault and they shoot him instantly IN HIS COUNTRY in Kuwait's territories, last thing i want to say is that you are MILES faraway from the truth of whats going on in this world, sorry if someone got offended i really didn't mean to offend any but we struggled and suffered a lot and still suffering and human beings are unable to see that many kids got their parents murdered and burnt while they were observing and that happened in many Muslim countries as we are the only target ( The thing that people cannot see) our people deal with racism in your countries and hate from so many but here no western ever dealt with racism or hate but welcoming, love and made tons of friends ( yes we have a lot of expats in the middle east from North america and Europe ) and even of all what happened to us from your government we still don't hate you and nobody ever though of going and bomb himself as a terrorist somewhere in your lands our religion prohibited that strongly and since we don't believe in the kind of grace you have that clear your sins, our punishment is very strong if we killed any human being or a living creature anyway this is not the case but hope you guys could understand something from my weird English and could understand what i meant to say.
one last fact you must know is Iran not one of us and we don't count them as one or as Muslims they are fake group who actually want to f*** the middle east and Arabs the same way US and Israel want to.
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Bush was avenging his father, and Cheney and Rumsfeld never got over losing Viet Nam. They were always looking back instead of forward and we lost an entire decade of progress, while other countries surged ahead. Is Iraq better off? Shouldn't the question be is the US better because of that war? No it is not.
That drunk coward Cheney (received five draft deferments) should have been a pacifist. He reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service". . I might not agree politically with McCain but the man is undoubtedly a true war hero . He is also negative to the use of torture as he experienced a fair share of it in Vietnam. Cheney should have least tried waterboarding once.
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. I might not agree politically with McCain but the man is undoubtedly a true war hero 
