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View Poll Results: Do you support life equality?
Yes, I support the equal right to life for all. 42 53.16%
No, I do not support the equal right to life for all. 37 46.84%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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So can I (a person that does not have your DNA) live off of your bodies organs without your consent?
Can I use your nutrients to feed my body? Can I use your kidneys to filter my waste?
Your ridiculous argument (if you can call that an argument) does not give you the right to end a life. The fetus has as much right to life as you do.

Take it up with God. See what He says.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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And that is one of the keys in any discussion like this that pro-aborts do not understand (or refuse to, out of willful ignorance). The fetus is not "part of a woman's body" as pro-aborts always try to claim. A fetus is separate flesh, and shares nothing of the mothers (except perhaps some genes). A fetus is a separate human being. She is a new person, with a soul, from the moment of conception.
I am not part of your body. Can I legally use your body to keep me alive without your consent?

A separate human being can live separated from anothers body. Until that being can live independently of another persons body, it is not a person.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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As if life is a matter of opinion?

Ever hear the term "with child"?
Oh, they only use that term if it is "wanted."
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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Your ridiculous argument (if you can call that an argument) does not give you the right to end a life. The fetus has as much right to life as you do.

Take it up with God. See what He says.
A fetus, or any other being, does not have the right to live off of another persons body. She has the right to evict it from her body. IF the fetus can live outside the womans body, then great.

Would you be ok with inducing labor and evicting a fetus?
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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A fetus, or any other being, does not have the right to live off of another persons body. She has the right to evict it from her body. IF the fetus can live outside the womans body, then great.

Would you be ok with inducing labor and evicting a fetus?
Multiple posters on this and other threads on the forum have mentioned that, even if artificial wombs were developed, abortion (killing a fetus, not merely removing it) should still be legal Andy solely up to the woman.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Don't lie.
Well, he voted against mandating assistance for a baby who survived a botched abortion. Denying otherwise is a lie.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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A fetus, or any other being, does not have the right to live off of another persons body. She has the right to evict it from her body. IF the fetus can live outside the womans body, then great.

Would you be ok with inducing labor and evicting a fetus?
Nifty as this sounds, where is it written in the Constitution or into an actual Law or anything else? It is your opinion and nothing more. You are presuming that women have a right that was never guaranteed to them anywhere. A woman does have the right to never engage in sexual activity. Since sex is our species-specific reproductive act, why should she then have the right to prevent nature from taking its course? The man and woman had the right to not risk the unwanted pregnancy by not engaging in the act of human reproduction, but consciously made the choice to proceed anyways.

Men and women both treat extramarital sex without consequences like it's some kind of inalienable right. It absolutely should not be for either participant. But this is what the entire business of abortion rights comes down to. Only a tiny fraction has anything to do with the mother's health being in jeopardy, or pregnancies that were the result of rape, etc. About 95% of all abortions are birth-control after the fact.

Our current pro-abortion culture largely feeds on the culture of stupidly pretending that sex and pregnancy and babies are somehow unrelated things.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Problem with social justice equality is that it cannot be maintained.

Give two differnt people the same opportunities and same amount of cash and one will be more equal than the other and then you have inequality. 'Go back to start' as we learned form the old Uncle Wiggly game.

So 'equality' in whatever venue is a tool used to advance a political agenda.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Nifty as this sounds, where is it written in the Constitution or into an actual Law or anything else? It is your opinion and nothing more. You are presuming that women have a right that was never guaranteed to them anywhere. A woman does have the right to never engage in sexual activity. Since sex is our species-specific reproductive act, why should she then have the right to prevent nature from taking its course? The man and woman had the right to not risk the unwanted pregnancy by not engaging in the act of human reproduction, but consciously made the choice to proceed anyways.

Men and women both treat extramarital sex without consequences like it's some kind of inalienable right. It absolutely should not be for either participant. But this is what the entire business of abortion rights comes down to. Only a tiny fraction has anything to do with the mother's health being in jeopardy, or pregnancies that were the result of rape, etc. About 95% of all abortions are birth-control after the fact.

Our current pro-abortion culture largely feeds on the culture of stupidly pretending that sex and pregnancy and babies are somehow unrelated things.
Women have the right to bodily autonomy, just like men. Women have the right to make their own medical decisions, just like men. Women have the right to privacy, just like men. What you seem to want is for womens rights to the above be removed for certain periods of time without her committing any crime.

If a woman gets pregnant, and eats one of many herbs that cause miscarriage. Do you consider that letting nature take its course? What if she refuses to eat right and exercise? Or see a doctor? Or if she is a MMA fighter? Or drinks? Or does any one of a million things that will cause a miscarriage?

If men get the right to live their lives as they choose and not have their rights taken from them without committing a crime, then so do women. And that includes the right to make their own medical decisions, what to eat, what they drink, if the smoke, etc.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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By George, you get it. Bunch of ignorant people on here who do NOT get it. Wonder what happened to their upbringing that they are so uneducated about the value of human life?
Pro-lifers seem pretty apathetic about what happens to the fetus post-partum. "Jebus loves you, but you're on your, Sport". Oh, I "get it" alright.

And if you support the phony "war on terror" you're also a hypocrite.
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