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Old 01-04-2014, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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The next thing that must be taken into consideration is that the Constitution was created with 2 basic criteria for Constitutional law.
1. That the law not infringe on the rights of the people it affects.
2. That the law not infringe on anyone else's rights.
I'm sure you can show us where these principles are found in the Constitution.

We have all the time in the world.
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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Jurors were meant to peer at the law.
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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I'm sure you can show us where these principles are found in the Constitution.

We have all the time in the world.
The Constitution clearly states that individuals must die for corporations, because corporations are the larger person.

For your information, corporations never die.

They are immortal.

Who the hell do you think God is?
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:48 PM
 
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The Constitution clearly states that individuals must die for corporations, because corporations are the larger person.

For your information, corporations never die.

They are immortal.

Who the hell do you think God is?
Actually, I think they are more like zombies. However, since everything is running on a corporate structure not sure nullification is really going to have much use. States, cities, counties etc...operate for wealth acquisition, so far they have been accomplishing that just fine.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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Actually, I think they are more like zombies. However, since everything is running on a corporate structure not sure nullification is really going to have much use. States, cities, counties etc...operate for wealth acquisition, so far they have been accomplishing that just fine.
Yes . . Zombies are persons, too.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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Jurors were meant to peer at the law.
No, Jurors were meant to be a check on Judges who were basically the kings enforcers. Basically ever since medieval times Juries were a check for the nobility on royal abuses. That was brought to America most famously in the Zenger trial, which is a large part of the reason juries were given the role they have under the constitution.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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Actually, I think they are more like zombies. However, since everything is running on a corporate structure not sure nullification is really going to have much use. States, cities, counties etc...operate for wealth acquisition, so far they have been accomplishing that just fine.
To be honest I think they are more like Vampires, immortal blood sucking creatures that thrive on exploitation of those with less power and wealth then they have. Not to mention they both fear the daylight falling on them or their private affairs.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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No, Jurors were meant to be a check on Judges who were basically the kings enforcers. Basically ever since medieval times Juries were a check for the nobility on royal abuses. That was brought to America most famously in the Zenger trial, which is a large part of the reason juries were given the role they have under the constitution.
Every protection the framers could think of, including armed jurors.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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I'm sure you can show us where these principles are found in the Constitution.

We have all the time in the world.
They are not in the Constitution, they are in the writings of people like Jefferson and Madison who took the time to publish papers to explain to simpletons who are too stupid or lazy to educate themselves on law and philosophy the standards by which a government of, by, and for the people must be structured.

These standards were elementry to the founders of the country at that time, but they have become as hard to understand as rocket science for the idiot masses of today.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Jurors were meant to peer at the law.
Wrong, jurors being citizens are the only people of equal stature to another citizen to stand in judgement.
Officers of the court such as judges, are government servants and servants cannot judge their masters.
Juries have always had the power to ignore the officers of the court and the laws themselves and to judge their peers as they saw fit. Their power is absolute.
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