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I guess even Trump was running on the fact that he was the only candidate that said not to go into Iraq.
So when we did go there we did win a control of the area.
President Obama ran his election in part on leaving Iraq, but unfortunately that wasn't good for Iraq or the USA. So he gave a years notice of pulling all the troops out. He pulled those ten or so thousand out and Iran and Isis went in. Now Iraq is doing how well and was what Obama did in the end good for us?
Be honest and answer that to yourselves here.
Your argument is that we would have to make Iraq the 51st state and stay there forever. The facts are, you can't win there. It's impossible. We would be no different. If some other country invaded the U.S. people here would fight them forever at whatever cost until they left.
No he wasn't there to vote on it. He may have voted against had he been there. He didn't become a war monger until he became President.
In 2007 before he became president Boston globe interview
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," he told the Boston Globe.
Yet twice in his present term, Obama has prepared to unilaterally order military strikes on Syria, in violation of both the law and his own previous notion of prudent policy.
"History has shown us time and again that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch," he declared in that same 2007 interview. "It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action."
And when you've made a reasonable attempt to fix something you broke with no results it's time to toss it and move on. Better yet don't make a policy of looking for things to break in places you don't belong in the first place.
My God, did Bush/Cheney 'break' Iraq! The ironic thing is that the Bush 'crusade' has brought about more death and destruction to the Christians in that region than Saddam ever did in all his years there. The number 2 man in the Saddam government, Tarik Azziz, was Christian. Saddam surely wasn't a saint. His lust for power brought about plenty of bloodshed, as witness the brutal suppression of the Kurdish and Shiite uprisings following Bush Sr's call for revolt, with no intent to help them. But Saddam actually protected Christians from persecution from the Muslims in Iraq. Strange, but true. I heard this directly from Christians living there under Saddam. The ISIS problem is a direct result of Bush Jr's desire to be our 'war president'. Oh how the actions of one stupid Chicken-Hawk can bring chaos to the entire world, including the countries struggling with the millions of refugees fleeing ISIS.
The big mistake in Iraq was not having adequate planning on what they were going to do afterwards.
There was three major mistakes made in Iraq after we were there. 1)Dismantled the Baathist party 2)Dismantled the Iraqi army and 3)Did not protect the population as they did during the surge.
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All the 2007 "surge" accomplished was to allow GWB to leave office without a military defeat on his record. For that purpose, it worked.
This worked and worked extremely well. Understand this wasn't just putting more troops into Iraq, it was a complete change of how they operated. The policy prior to that is they would go out and patrol in their vehicles and then head back to a base. This was completely upended during the surge, they went into neighborhoods and built mini bases, patrolled on foot and stayed. This gained the trust of the Iraqi population and pushed the insurgents out of the neighborhood because those people no longer feared reprisals. Had this policy been in place since the start of the war we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
The big mistake in Iraq was not having adequate planning on what they were going to do afterwards.
There was three major mistakes made in Iraq after we were there. 1)Dismantled the Baathist party 2)Dismantled the Iraqi army and 3)Did not protect the population as they did during the surge.
This worked and worked extremely well. Understand this wasn't just putting more troops into Iraq, it was a complete change of how they operated. The policy prior to that is they would go out and patrol in their vehicles and then head back to a base. This was completely upended during the surge, they went into neighborhoods and built mini bases, patrolled on foot and stayed. This gained the trust of the Iraqi population and pushed the insurgents out of the neighborhood because those people no longer feared reprisals. Had this policy been in place since the start of the war we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
The BIG mistake was the Shrub removing the one person who could actually CONTROL the Muslims in Iraq - namely Saddam 'Our Bastard' Hussein.
Were you one of the few who supported Ron Paul? If more did, we would have avoided the Iraq and Afganistan debacles, trillions less in debt, with a much healthier economy...
'Remember Fallujah? Shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the US military fired on unarmed protestors, killing as many as 20 and wounding dozens. In retaliation, local Iraqis attacked a convoy of US military contractors, killing four. The US then launched a full attack on Fallujah to regain control, which left perhaps 700 Iraqis dead and the city virtually destroyed.
Many of us were saying all along that we shouldn’t have done that – before we did it. Unfortunately the Bush Administration took the advice of the neocons pushing for war and promising it would be a “cakewalk.” We continue to see the results of that terrible mistake, and it is only getting worse.
Afghanistan was necessary because it was the Taliban stronghold and terrorist training ground.
We only went into Iraq because that was what Cheney and Bush wanted to do long before Bush became President. It was a huge mistake, made on a wall of lies. France was right. We needed to get evidence of WMDs before invading and waging unprovoked war. But Americans gave up french fries and went to war. Huge mistake. While paying tons of money for that war, they then passed an enormous tax cut bill for the wealthy, adding $1 Trillion to our debt.
The debt got another $1.5 Trillion being added to it from the second even larger tax cut bill, that wasn't paid for. Because if you do something stupid and totally selfish for your friends one time, why not do it again, even bigger?
Do you know how much money the Neocons made from the War with all the no-bid or quick-bid contracts?
I should say neo-liberals as well since John Kerry had the most invested in defense Corporations of any politician when he was running for President in 2004. Gee, I wonder if he would've put an end to the Wars lol.
Iraq and Afghanistan were the first Corporately fought (and heavily compensated) Wars in our Nation's history.
The War on "Drugs" taught everyone that a never ending war with no specific enemy is a goldmine. If you can privatize the War, even better.
It was wonderful for them and maybe even exceeded expectations.
Are you saying, invading weaker countries in the name of “war”, is a profitable industry?
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