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Old 01-14-2014, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Obviously, to your first and second paragraph. That is not the question. The question has to do with why the increase in people with peanut allergies? No one knows. Could it possibly be linked to vaccines? Maybe? If the cause for the increase is unknown it could be anything because it's UNKNOWN! And it's not silly to blame it on vaccines rather then peanut butter since vaccines are injected and peanut butter is eaten which would cause the body to deal with them in very different ways. By the way, I am NOT claiming that vaccines are the cause, I'm just saying, why not keep an open mind when there are unknowns?
Because there would have to be peanut protein in a vaccine for it to cause peanut allergy. You have to be exposed to the protein in order to develop an allergy to it.

Otherwise, it's like saying that you are allergic to peanuts because you ate oranges.

Also, if there were peanut proteins in a vaccine, peanut allergy would be a contraindication for the vaccine.

Vaccines as a cause of peanut allergy are an anti-vax hoax.

 
Old 01-14-2014, 09:46 PM
 
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Bile enters the gut, not the blood stream.
Bile is a one way street, from the liver to the gut, not the other way around.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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Even people with confirmed peanut allergy do not react to refined peanut oil. The allergenic proteins are removed during refining. Oil is a fat, not a protein.

Randomised, double blind, crossover challenge study of a... [BMJ. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI

"None of the 60 subjects reacted to the refined oil; six (10%) reacted to the crude oil."
The tests were with INGESTED refined versus crude peanut oils, and as such is immaterial to this discussion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...df/9133891.pdf

This discussion has to do with the effects of INJECTED peanut oil, refined or crude, and particularly its effects on causing peanut allergies.

Even injected REFINED peanut oil will have negative outcomes where peanut allergies are concerned.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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Because there would have to be peanut protein in a vaccine for it to cause peanut allergy. You have to be exposed to the protein in order to develop an allergy to it.

Otherwise, it's like saying that you are allergic to peanuts because you ate oranges.

Also, if there were peanut proteins in a vaccine, peanut allergy would be a contraindication for the vaccine.

Vaccines as a cause of peanut allergy are an anti-vax hoax.
I have no idea if peanut oil was ever used in vaccines. I'm not claiming that it was. Regardless, I do think that it's possible that there could be a link between vaccines and the rise in allergies, unrelated to peanuts in particular. It's possible.

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Old 01-14-2014, 10:07 PM
 
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Bile is a one way street, from the liver to the gut, not the other way around.
I never said it was the other way around.

You conveniently omitted the gall bladder.

http://www.innerbody.com/image_digeo...ll-description
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:10 PM
 
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Bile enters the gut, not the blood stream.
And it enters the gut from the gall bladder, not directly from the liver.

http://www.innerbody.com/image_digeo...ll-description
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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When fats bypass the security system known as the bile of the gall bladder, and enter the bloodstream unvetted and without alteration, the fats commit random acts of terrorism to the public proper.

"The second reason bile salts form micelles is to transport the triglyceride products to the intestinal walls to be absorbed into the blood stream."

Page 3 - How Normal Fats are Digested
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The tests were with INGESTED refined versus crude peanut oils, and as such is immaterial to this discussion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...df/9133891.pdf

This discussion has to do with the effects of INJECTED peanut oil, refined or crude, and particularly its effects on causing peanut allergies.

Even injected REFINED peanut oil will have negative outcomes where peanut allergies are concerned.
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I never said it was the other way around.

You conveniently omitted the gall bladder.

http://www.innerbody.com/image_digeo...ll-description
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And it enters the gut from the gall bladder, not directly from the liver.

http://www.innerbody.com/image_digeo...ll-description
It does not matter to your body whether an antigen is ingested or eaten. It gets into the blood either way, and that is how it gets exposed to the immune system.

I have no idea what the relevance of your link to stroke workers has to the discussion.

Bile is produced in the liver, stored in the gallbaldder, and is then passed into the gut. That has nothing to do with allergies.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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It does not matter to your body whether an antigen is ingested or eaten. It gets into the blood either way, and that is how it gets exposed to the immune system.

I have no idea what the relevance of your link to stroke workers has to the discussion. *

Bile is produced in the liver, stored in the gallbaldder, and is then passed into the gut. That has nothing to do with allergies.
Bypass the designated apparatus and there's going to be . . problems.

*You have to scroll down the pdf about just past half way to find the paper on "Randomised, double blind, crossover challenge study of allergenicity of peanut oils in subjects allergic to peanuts".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...df/9133891.pdf

What? You didn't read it?
 
Old 01-14-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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When fats bypass the security system known as the bile of the gall bladder, and enter the bloodstream unvetted and without alteration, the fats commit random acts of terrorism to the public proper.

"The second reason bile salts form micelles is to transport the triglyceride products to the intestinal walls to be absorbed into the blood stream."

Page 3 - How Normal Fats are Digested
Many people do just fine without gallbladders, which store bile but do not process it. Since none of this has anything to do with vaccines, I'll let it rest.

There is no evidence that vaccines cause allergies, though someone with a known allergy to a vaccine should not take it. People with egg allergies may be able to take vaccines, even those made in eggs, but should discuss it with their doctors.
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