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Old 01-15-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Katiana View Post

Why can't you acknowledge that smallpox vaccine contributed to the end of smallpox disease?
Why can't you just do a little tiny tiny bit of actual reading and see that that's NOT TRUE!!!
Maybe try looking at the message...instead of the messenger.
Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD | International Medical Council on Vaccination

 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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The fact is that allergic reactions to vaccines usually occur in the medical office, where they can be treated quickly. Reactions at home may result in a fatality before medical help can arrive.
whose fact is that?...yours and yours only?....you're right about reactions at home can be fatal...that's been proven, for sure.
 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Amazing....you and the cdc think so...If vaccines trully prevented diseases then why do fully vaccinated people still get them?
In 2009-2010, and outbreak of measles in a HIGHLY vaccinated Orthodox Jewish community showed that 97% of those infected were fully vaccinated.
In 2006, a mumps epidemic of 219 cases....79% had been vaccinated
2009..Two fully vaccinated doctors get measles.
2012 171 cases of pertussis...Doctors claimed the vaccine effectiveness as : 2-7 years old 41% at best, and ages 8-12 years old, a dismal 24%
Pertussis in Vermont..over 280 cases, of the 215 children, 106 were FULLY vaccinated, 54 partially, and 14 with 3 doses of vaccine...vaccine failure rate:80%

I wouldn't call 10-20 thousand adverse events each year (those are just the ones reported) as "so small it usually cannot be calculated".
Please provide links to your information sources.


From earlier in this thread:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/32978271-post160.html

None of the vaccines are perfect. We all know that. Some vaccinated persons will catch the diseases they are vaccinated for.

You cannot ignore the patients who do not catch the disease.

"Reports" are not cases. Please provide links to confirmed cases. VAERS reports include many supposed cases that can never be verified, such as people reporting what they heard on TV or "a nurse told me."
 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
Why can't you just do a little tiny tiny bit of actual reading and see that that's NOT TRUE!!!
Maybe try looking at the message...instead of the messenger.
Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD | International Medical Council on Vaccination
Ah yes, anyone with a lick of epidemiology knowledge will note Roman Bystrianyk's intentional omission of morbidity in his pretty graphs, it doesn't help his case to include them. If he had any legitimacy all cases of infection, not just fatalities would be displayed. Without that information his hypothesis is meaningless.
 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The hep b vaccine was originally made for people in high risk lifestyles...intravenous drug use and sharing of needles...sex with multiple partners etc
CDC found they couldn't get these types to come in for the shot, so instead they tacked it onto the infant schedule...disgusting, damaging, and very, very sad for the little ones who have or will suffer because of it.
Apparently the vaccine wears off within 10 years, so all those poor little babes have been vaccinated for a disease they could never aquire anyways, and by the time they're teens, when they might be at some risk...if the vaccine ever even worked, it wouldn't by now....stupid.
Among the first people to get hepatitis B vaccine were health care workers, who were at risk for exposure to patients' blood. Blood transfusion was a major risk for hepatitis B before donors were routinely screened for it, so not everyone who had it was a drug abuser or engaging in high risk sex. Doctors and nurses rather flocked in to get the vaccine, so your first statement is false and ludicrous.

The vaccine also appears to be long lasting.

Your Child's Immunizations: Hepatitis B Vaccine (HBV)

"The HBV injection usually creates long-term immunity. Infants who receive the HBV series should be protected from hepatitis B infection not only throughout their childhood but also into their adult years.
Eliminating the risk of infection also decreases risk for cirrhosis of the liver, chronic liver disease, and liver cancer. Young adults and adolescents also should receive the vaccine if they did not as infants."

Why do you feel the need to propagate falsehoods?
 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
Why can't you just do a little tiny tiny bit of actual reading and see that that's NOT TRUE!!!
Maybe try looking at the message...instead of the messenger.
Vaccination: A Mythical History ~ by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries MD | International Medical Council on Vaccination

This Suzanne Humphries? Who is now basically a homeopath?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries and the International Medical Council on Vaccination: Antivaccine to the core – Respectful Insolence

A rebuke to the antivaccine movement: A hundred million cases of disease prevented and millions of lives saved by vaccines – Respectful Insolence
 
Old 01-15-2014, 03:47 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
Amazing....you and the cdc think so...If vaccines trully prevented diseases then why do fully vaccinated people still get them?
In 2009-2010, and outbreak of measles in a HIGHLY vaccinated Orthodox Jewish community showed that 97% of those infected were fully vaccinated.
In 2006, a mumps epidemic of 219 cases....79% had been vaccinated
2009..Two fully vaccinated doctors get measles.
2012 171 cases of pertussis...Doctors claimed the vaccine effectiveness as : 2-7 years old 41% at best, and ages 8-12 years old, a dismal 24%
Pertussis in Vermont..over 280 cases, of the 215 children, 106 were FULLY vaccinated, 54 partially, and 14 with 3 doses of vaccine...vaccine failure rate:80%

I wouldn't call 10-20 thousand adverse events each year (those are just the ones reported) as "so small it usually cannot be calculated".
HIGHLY vaccinated Orthodox Jewish community my left, er, toe!

The measles outbreak was actually this past year. The outbreak in 2009-10 was mumps.
Measles outbreak continues in Brooklyn | American Council on Science and Health (ACSH)
"All the individuals who acquired this preventable disease (measles) were unvaccinated at the time of exposure, and 23 of those had refused (or more likely, their parents had refused them permisson to have) vaccinations. Five cases were too young for vaccinations, and six were cases with delayed vaccinations according to the Bureau of Immunization of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH)."

NEWS SCAN: 2009 pandemic in US, mumps outbreak, West Nile in Texas, Hendra virus vaccine, tularemia treatment | CIDRAP

Vaccines: Long-term Effectiveness of Whooping Cough Vaccines - Pregnancy and Whooping Cough - CDC
**Since the childhood whooping cough vaccine (called DTaP) has been used since the 1990s, we have study results on long-term protection. In general, DTaP vaccines are effective for 8 or 9 out of 10 children who receive them. Among children who get all 5 doses of DTaP vaccine on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year following the 5th dose — nearly all children (98 out of 100) are fully protected. There is a modest decrease in effectiveness in each following year. About 7 out of 10 of children are fully protected 5 years after getting their last dose of DTaP vaccine and the other 3 are protected against serious disease.**


It's rather disingenuous to give figures like yours above without a link. The pertussis figures in Vermont do not include denominators, in other words, 106 fully vaccinated kids out of how many fully vaccinated kids?

Raw data from VAERS is not evidence of anything. Each of those cases gets investigated. Anything can by reported, by anyone.
 
Old 01-16-2014, 03:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You are focusing on the wrong question. Obviously not everyone in the country gets the flu. No, a large percentage of the population does not die from the flu. You have said you do not believe the CDC figures on deaths, so the number is irrelevant. However, since you ask, influenza and pneumonia are the ninth leading cause of death in the US:

."
The discussion is interesting but if 'facts' and stats ( from both sides) aren't pertinent, they don't help.
Lumping pneumonia in with flu does not in any way represent a statistic to support your side of the issue. For instance..
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In 2006, pneumonia and influenza combined ranked as
the nation’s eighth leading cause of death with 56,326. Pneumonia
consistently accounts for the overwhelming majority of deaths between

the two, as 55,477 people died of pneumonia in 2006.15
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Pneumonia may be the result of many things having nothing to do with the flu.
 
Old 01-16-2014, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Ran across this in todays paper....

H1N1 flu striking young adults the most - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
 
Old 01-16-2014, 09:47 AM
 
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The younger the adult, the more vaccines they've had.
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