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Old 01-07-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Simple.

Nonsense comes from liberals.

Once you understand this universal truth, most everything else falls into place quite nicely.
You got the quote wrong..."Once you ignore truth, most everything else falls into place quite nicely."

The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.
Isaac Asimov
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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Good stuff C-14. Children are natural-born scientists. Neil de Grass Tyson talks about this all the time. Those tendencies should be exploited and encouraged.

I'm not sure if explicitly denigrating religion is necessarily a good thing to do as a parent. What I would rather do is guide my kid, encourage scientific thought, and let her make her own judgments about religion. That's what my parents did.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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When you can provide any scientific evidence for your nonsense claim that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or any evidence that proves the theory of evolution, which you claim is a "fact", then get back to us.
I have seen these things explained to you many times...Since you keep repeating the same questions, they are obviously beyond your ability to understand them.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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I have seen these things explained to you many times...Since you keep repeating the same questions, they are obviously beyond your ability to understand them.
He trolls every thread on this board. Ignore him and he'll go away.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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Sure it does,

You have countless evangelicals trying to put ID into science books.

Doesn't Texas now have to teach ID as a hypothesis?
No, that failed thank goodness.

How Science Won in the Texas Textbook Battle | TFN Insider

Have you heard about the "Wedge Strategy"?

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Old 01-07-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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When you can provide any scientific evidence for your nonsense claim that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or any evidence that proves the theory of evolution, which you claim is a "fact", then get back to us.
If you claim it is nonsense, you should find it really easy to come up with evidence to disprove the age of the earth and the Theory of Evolution then.

Just one little piece of evidence that proves the earth is not older than 4 billion years or a little piece of evidence that refutes the Theory of Evolution.

That's not too much to ask is it?

In fact if you did, you would become famous.

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Old 01-07-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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No, that failed thank goodness.

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Very informative.

And Globe, Neil is right, but he's high-profile. I'm not, and going to attack religion. It attacks science, someone has to defend it. Not all kids are going to be as resilient toward religion as you were. Some take the pill and become believers. If you encourage them at a young age that it's a lie, you strengthen them.

Ah, Barbara Cargill is a Perry appointed science adviser. That's f'ing hilarious.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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I have seen these things explained to you many times...Since you keep repeating the same questions, they are obviously beyond your ability to understand them.
There are none so blind....
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:16 PM
 
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Sure it does,

You have countless evangelicals trying to put ID into science books.

Doesn't Texas now have to teach ID as a hypothesis?

Nothing like spoiling a young mind with pro-jesus (or santa for adults) propaganda.

Idiocracy wasn't a dystopic movie, it was filmed in the future as a documentary.
Listen, it is a show of ignorance to confuse creationism with intelligent design. While creationist may embrace intellegent design theory due to the likelihood that they might regard God as intelligent, the reverse is not universally true. Intelligent Design makes no claim or attempt to identify the nature of the "designer". It simply points out an obvious truth .. that the complex nature of living matter possesses all of the common charateristics indicative of design and purpose.

While the monkey's uncle crowd laments endlessly over the unscientific nature of intelligent design, the truth is quite the opposite. There is no evidence whatsoever regarding the origin of life from a Dawinian perspective, so it remains a mystery as to how life came into existence. ID does not attempt to explain that either ... it simply points out the absurdity in thinking that DNA, created itself by random mixing of raw elements, or that the code inbuilt into the structure, wrote itself.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:30 PM
 
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Listen, it is a show of ignorance to confuse creationism with intelligent design. While creationist may embrace intellegent design theory due to the likelihood that they might regard God as intelligent, the reverse is not universally true. Intelligent Design makes no claim or attempt to identify the nature of the "designer". It simply points out an obvious truth .. that the complex nature of living matter possesses all of the common charateristics indicative of design and purpose.

While the monkey's uncle crowd laments endlessly over the unscientific nature of intelligent design, the truth is quite the opposite. There is no evidence whatsoever regarding the origin of life from a Dawinian perspective, so it remains a mystery as to how life came into existence. ID does not attempt to explain that either ... it simply points out the absurdity in thinking that DNA, created itself by random mixing of raw elements, or that the code inbuilt into the structure, wrote itself.
According to the book Of Pandas and People (the 'textbook' the Dover school board wanted to use in their science classes in 2005), the conjecture of Intelligent Design is:

"that the origin of new organisms is in an immaterial cause: in a blueprint, a plan, a pattern, devised by an intelligent agent" and "a sudden appearance ex nihilo of already intact fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc."

Basically, that an "intelligent agent" poofed animals, birds, fish, humans etc into existence already intact at one time out of nothing (sound familiar?).

It doesn't really take much debunking as it doesn't fit the observations at all, it doesn't predict anything, and it's main claim of irreducible complexity has been debunked.

It's not a Scientific Theory or even a scientific hypotheses. It's just religious Creationism with the word God replaced by the phrase "Intelligent Designer".

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