Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Standard partisan response. I specifically said 'Ocare is the D's baby.'
That still leaves the legitimate question of what did the R's do when they had the political chance to do something. Why didn't they pass the high risk pools for pre-existing conditions, or tax credits, or sale across state lines, or other reforms they've proposed since 2009.
Face it. They didn't give a rat's patootie until forced to by the threat of Ocare.
yeah, lets just pass ACA thereby screwing the american public in order to get them republicans because they didnt destroy the industry first..
yeah, lets just pass ACA thereby screwing the american public in order to get them republicans because they didnt destroy the industry first..
That'll teach em...
More R party hackery. You and the D party hacks deserve each other. You all have knee-jerk robo responses to anything slightly critical of your party.
Ocare is a convoluted mess that hurts many more people than it helps. The D's are responsible.
The R's have proposed alternative reforms since 2009, when Obama got elected and pushed for a D party health care reform bill. Before then they ignored the problems they now admit Were problems.
'clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...'
The young and healthy if they pull out in big numbers will be no more than 2% of the funding. It will hardly cause a death spiral. BCBS and the other insurers knowing that the rates for the most parts are being subsidized errored on the high side for premiums. I see people paying high premiums this year and getting money kicked back at the end of the year.
Even the administration admits the numbers, demographics are crucial to the financial sufficiency of the exchanges. If they ever release the stats, we'll see just how bad they are and the spin to turn it into good news.
Thank you. If you go back to the link in post #8 you may also agree that it contains the best solution.
Short of a science fiction machine to make every American choose less dependence, yeah, it was a good solution because it functions partially on using a politician's greed and lust for power as one of the gears.
Statistically there is a good chance you dont even know someone who is outside the 400% FPL who is paying for their own insurance and got hit with a big increase this year. Despite all the right wing noise those numbers are pretty small in comparison to the total insured. Now that January 1 has come and gone we have found that the sky actually didnt fall.
we just need king 0bama to delay, ignore, waive, and rewrite whatever key portions of the ACA are even left for him to diddle with.
The ACA as written does not exist, and yet the parts that are in force are causing mayhem. Now, go stick your head back in the sand.
Ask your Democrat representatives. This disaster was sold as being "revenue neutral." Make them prove it, using REAL WORLD data, not the projections from three years ago which we knew at the time would be wrong.
the dems said revenue neutral. but by the time all is said and done, I figure obamacare will end up costing each person about 15-20% of their paycheck, just to keep obamacare afloat.
this will probably be the straw that breaks the camels back.
the dems said revenue neutral. but by the time all is said and done, I figure obamacare will end up costing each person about 15-20% of their paycheck, just to keep obamacare afloat.
this will probably be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Its worse than that, they said it would generate $1T in deficit deductions to the federal government, but I have yet to hear how we were going to generate $1T to the federal government, and all of these subsidies, while at the same time, cutting the rates.
None of it made sense, but Democrats were too dumb to realize that
Its worse than that, they said it would generate $1T in deficit deductions to the federal government, but I have yet to hear how we were going to generate $1T to the federal government, and all of these subsidies, while at the same time, cutting the rates.
None of it made sense, but Democrats were too dumb to realize that
No. The general public was too dumb or else Obama would not have been re elected.
Unfortunately the real aca didn't start till 2014. That was by design by Obama to protect his 2012 re election campaign. The feel good parts of the aca. Like eliminating pre existing for kids in 2010 after the law and insurance voluntary letting young adults stay on parents play till age 26 before they were required. These feel good early benefits were all smoke and mirrors before some people started feeling the real pain in 2014.
Obama and some Dems have gone on record the aca needs to be fixed. Yet they have offered nothing besides a one year extension plea to let people keep their old plans.
Why haven't Obama and Democratic leader not offered a fix?
We all know the answer. The only way to fix the ACA is to spend more money and increase more subsidies and spend more tax payer money.
They just don't want to come out and say it. Dems are desperately trying to protect the 2014 election. Obama had and still hopes to win back the house so he can raise more taxes to fix his own law.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Standard partisan response. I specifically said 'Ocare is the D's baby.' 
