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Old 01-08-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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Stop making assumptions. No one said you have to accept any religious person's perspective. The point is that you should respect it. Just as you are free to believe as you choose, so others should be allowed to do the same, even if you don't agree.
No one is entitled to have their opinion respected, specifically when it is based on ill-facts.

The original Leviticus documents of the biblical texts that are today used by the uninformed to deny a spiritual connection to God for homosexuals were not written to address either homosexuals or homosexuality. These documents are actually referring to a prohibition against imitating non-Israelite, foreign cultic sexual substitution fertility rituals, and do not condemn anyone who does not use substitutional and/or incestuous sex as a method of gaining Divine favor.

In fact, the text ofthe Book of Leviticus was originally written as an instruction manual for the priestly tribe, and referred to PRIESTLY prohibitions only. The original name of the Book of Leviticus (which name comes from the Greek Septuagint) was in Hebrew "ספר תורת הכהנים SEFER TORAT HAKOHANIM" (The Instructions of the Priestly Officiants).

 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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Why do I have to respect it? Where does that obligation come from?

In fact, I don't respect every point of view or opinion, and not every opinion is valid or should be given equal weight to every other opinion.

You know what they say opinions are like, right? And how everyone has one?

Now, I respect the RIGHT to an opinion, or the RIGHT to have religion. That does not mean I respect that opinion or all religion.

I respect all people for who they are INNATELY. Race, handicap, ethnicity, sex, sexuality. Religion though is not like the others and does not get "automatic" respect!

Do you see the difference?

Surely it's self imposed. Or are you claiming people are born with religious thought?

(You may be half right though, as some people have it instill in them by parents).
People should respect others right to believe or practice what they desire, even if they do not agree. Of course, you can choose not to do that but you become part of the problem, imo.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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It makes my skin crawl.

OK, you opened the door...quoting my mother (making folks laugh in heaven, no doubt) How'd your ass smell when it passed your nose?
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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No one is entitled to have their opinion respected, specifically when it is based on ill-facts.

The original Leviticus documents of the biblical texts that are today used by the uninformed to deny a spiritual connection to God for homosexuals were not written to address either homosexuals or homosexuality. These documents are actually referring to a prohibition against imitating non-Israelite, foreign cultic sexual substitution fertility rituals, and do not condemn anyone who does not use substitutional and/or incestuous sex as a method of gaining Divine favor.

In fact, the text ofthe Book of Leviticus was originally written as an instruction manual for the priestly tribe, and referred to PRIESTLY prohibitions only. The original name of the Book of Leviticus (which name comes from the Greek Septuagint) was in Hebrew "ספר תורת הכהנים SEFER TORAT HAKOHANIM" (The Instructions of the Priestly Officiants).
It's certainly up to you if you choose not to respect that rights of others to believe whatever they choose. Not sure why you are going into an explanation of your beliefs on the Book of Leviticus.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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People should respect others right to believe or practice what they desire, even if they do not agree. Of course, you can choose not to do that but you become part of the problem, imo.
So, Taratova should respect others' right to live a homosexual lifestyle? Her posts don't sound very respectful to me. But you lauded her opinion.....very confusing.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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It's abnormal in the sense that it is common, because most people aren't homosexual. You're going to have to specify what context you mean by abnormal though. That being said, you are free to believe what is natural and unnatural.




However, forcing a homosexual agenda, especially to people with religious backgrounds is not a good thing.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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Struggling to understand....homosexuals should be free to live as they please, and homophobics should be free to condemn, criticize, demean, and try to pass laws to limit the freedom of homosexuals....as long as the homophobics actually don't get the laws passed? As long as the laws already passed continue to stand?
Who said that? YOU?

If not, stop making assumptions. You have no clue as to my full perspective on this matter.

I personally do not believe in laws that limit the right to marry and on and on. In fact, there should be no laws regulating marriage at all, imho. Laws should not regulate practices that do not infringe on the rights of anyone else.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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Doesn't matter. There are people who are convinced the Bible preaches hatred. Or they pull OT laws that do not apply to Christians and think they have a gotcha, like stuff about eating shellfish or tattoos.

Anyone who is using the Bible to justify hatred towards someone is twisting it to suit their own bigotry and not following the teachings of Christ, which ultimately is what being a Christian is all about. Love, kindness and compassion, not hatred and condemnation.
Aside from boorish people who can be in both camps, we also shouldn't mistake Bible admonition for hate speech. There is a five-fold ministry whose job it is to bring the church into perfection (maturity). Eph 4:11-13.

And we also shouldn't overlook that the Bible says that men love darkness rather than light. Therefore, anything quoted from the Bible will always be viewed by them as hate.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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It's abnormal in the sense that it is common, because most people aren't homosexual. You're going to have to specify what context you mean by abnormal though. That being said, you are free to believe. However, forcing a homosexual agenda, especially to people with religious backgrounds is not a good thing.

What, exactly, is a homosexual agenda?

Wanting to get married?
 
Old 01-08-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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It's abnormal in the sense that it is common, because most people aren't homosexual. You're going to have to specify what context you mean by abnormal though. That being said, you are free to believe. However, forcing a homosexual agenda, especially to people with religious backgrounds is not a good thing.
Who is FORCING? Requesting equal treatment under the law? Being allowed to get married? Being allowed to visit your spouse in the hospital when they are sick? Is this forcing? Nobody is forcing anything on you.
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