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Still confusing....they have the right to live as they please, but not the right to be accepted for living as they please???
To me, it sounds like you are saying they are free to be deviants, but they should accept that they are deviants, and that people will treat them badly because they are deviants. But they are free to be deviants, so it's all good.
And I think homosexuals are saying that they realize that there are some religious fundamentalists that think that homosexuality is wrong, but that is just an opinion. As homosexuals hurt no one, they don't deserve to be treated badly. Our society has treated them badly, from putting them in jail to denying them basic rights. And so, it's not all good. Respect is a two-way street. The idea that religious fundamentalists deserve to have their beliefs respected, at the expense of others, is essentially hypocritical. Religious fundamentalists can believe whatever they wish, and homosexuals can believe whatever they wish, and it's all good as long as there is no discrimination. Currently, there is discrimination, so it isn't all good.
Then you are choosing to be confused and make assumptions, such as the madness above.
What is so confusing about the statement that homosexuals should be free to live as they please? Where does that translate to them accepting mistreatment? If you are being mistreated for living according to the dictates of your conscience, are you really free? Being FREE to live as they choose means just that.
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Last time I checked, this was a wedding event, not a shopping spree. To some, a wedding or any part of a wedding is considered religious and has its own set of rules and beliefs. Some would disagree. Any way you put it, someone of religious affiliation that doesn't agree with homosexual marriages should not be forced to partake in any part of a gay marriage if he/she chooses.
Weddings CAN be religious, or they can be at a zoo, or the beach, or at a park, or in a back yard, or bungee jumping, or scuba diving, or any number of other ways. If the wedding was not at the photographers church or done according to their religion, then is is no more religious to them than photographing a birthday party.
If someones religious beliefs do not agree with _______ (fill in the blank) they should not be subject to any law pertaining to ________, is basically what you are saying. Those blanks could be filled in with anything that a person imagines. You can not single out ONE belief to get special exemption from following the law, and not allow every other belief exemption from the laws.
And that's the problem. When you call it a RIGHT it FORCES everyone to comply or face legal discrimnation consequences and lawsuits.
And if my religion taught that blacks were to be avoided as they have the curse of Ham?
And I had a restaurant and I refused to serve blacks but the government told me I HAD to?
Or if I'm a Muslim taxi driver and I want to refuse fares from single women?
Your religion does not give you the right to discriminate in business. Period.
Frankly, the "Christian wedding planner/photographer/cake decorator thing is pure, unadulterated bullcrap.
There is ONE sin in the Christian Bible above all others: Not believing in Jesus Christ or having some other God.
Where are the stories of bakeries refusing to make a wedding cake for a Hindu wedding ceremony, which involves idolatry and worshipping of other Gods? You don't hear it because the Xtian wedding conscientious objectors are hypocritical and Bible cherry picking jerks looking for attention.
Still more bloviations about homosexuality and "the mind" from Taratova while refusing to tell us why we should listen to a thing you say. Where did you get your degree in psychology? What are your credentials that allow you to spew this crap as if it actually has any meaning? Do tell.
Because ignorant religious people who know nothing about the original scriptures love to quote Leviticus to demonize gay people, when they know nothing about what that Book is.
And once again, why the explanation of Leviticus? Did I quote Leviticus?
Further, since when are all religious people Christian (or ignorant religious people for that matter)?
Weddings CAN be religious, or they can be at a zoo, or the beach, or at a park, or in a back yard, or bungee jumping, or scuba diving, or any number of other ways. If the wedding was not at the photographers church or done according to their religion, then is is no more religious to them than photographing a birthday party.
If someones religious beliefs do not agree with _______ (fill in the blank) they should not be subject to any law pertaining to ________, is basically what you are saying. Those blanks could be filled in with anything that a person imagines. You can not single out ONE belief to get special exemption from following the law, and not allow every other belief exemption from the laws.
And that is why we are on extremely dangerous footing with Obama allowing those nuns to not be required to pay for contraception for their employees. He should have taken a very hard line on that, courts be damned.
What about if someones religion says that women should not be shopping? Should they have the right to deny service to females? Or blacks, or Jews. or ________? What if they believe that unruly children should be stoned? Can they murder their children and claim religious exemption? What if someones religious beliefs say raising pigs in their back yard is necessary? Should zoning laws not apply to them?
Anyone that breaks any law could claim "religious belief" and not be penalized. OR is it only religious beliefs that YOU personally agree with that should get special exemptions?
People have all kind of belief systems. It was acceptable to sacrifice their children to the gods at one time.
people were carried away with all kind of perversions and it was all acceptable. How far should freedom carry someone.?. Can we conquer our neighbors and take all their possessions? Can we steal and kill and maim one another? This happens in society every day but it is not acceptable.. it is what man is capable of... Society dictates what should be. Man can fall into all kind of evil practices. It is those who see what the effects of something is on society and the outcome of it that has wisdom.
Gays now want to be sancified by marriage which is a sacred joining of a man and a woman only. More a spiritual religious word than a secular word. It is not enough to be in a civil union .
Still more bloviations about homosexuality and "the mind" from Taratova while refusing to tell us why we should listen to a thing you say. Where did you get your degree in psychology? What are your credentials that allow you to spew this crap as if it actually has any meaning? Do tell.
If you believe that this is not the truth than you are far from knowing yourself.
Gays now want to be sancified by marriage which is a sacred joining of a man and a woman only. More a spiritual religious word than a secular word. It is not enough to be in a civil union .
Bull****. We don't want to be "sanctified" by marriage. There is nothing sacred about legal, civil marriage contracts. Civil marriage is an entirely secular thing that has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. We simply want equal access to the law and to the legal rights the law confers.
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