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Gays are entitled to the same happiness that straight folks are entitled to and I've read very compelling legal arguments as to how I was wrong and I changed my stance on it.
Conversely, why would the anti-gay marriage club want to protect gay people from the headaches marriage can bring. You know, annoying in-laws, a raging shoe collection, being asked questions to which there is no good answer (does this dress make me look fat?), a spouse who never checks the checking account balance before buying that (fill in unnecessary garment and/or electronic gadget here), the whole toothpaste cap thing.
Come to think of it, if you don't like gay people, maybe you should encourage them to marry. Statistically, that would ensure that at least 50% of them will wind up miserable!
Quit trying to play like this is the same as racism.
The two are fundamentally different, you act like they are the same, when they are not. Traditional marriage is about procreation between husband and wife, something that is impossible between two men in a same sex marriage.
For example, in traditional marriage we do not allow siblings to marry each other. But under the same sex marriage in a civil marriage, there would be no way on earth that you could justify why two sisters could not marry each other.
Quit trying to play like this is the same as racism.
The two are fundamentally different, you act like they are the same, when they are not. Traditional marriage is about procreation between husband and wife, something that is impossible between two men in a same sex marriage.
They are very much the same. Anytime anyone withholds government granted privileges or rights based on innate characteristics such as sex, race, ethnicity, sexuality... it is a civil rights issue.
For f***** sake we even grant equal rights based on religion, and THAT is something people CHOOSE!
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
For example, in traditional marriage we do not allow siblings to marry each other. But under the same sex marriage in a civil marriage, there would be no way on earth that you could justify why two sisters could not marry each other.
And what do you care if they do? What's it to you that you think you should tell others how to live and order THEIR lives? You some kind of statist?
Quit trying to play like this is the same as racism.
The two are fundamentally different, you act like they are the same, when they are not. Traditional marriage is about procreation between husband and wife, something that is impossible between two men in a same sex marriage.
For example, in traditional marriage we do not allow siblings to marry each other. But under the same sex marriage in a civil marriage, there would be no way on earth that you could justify why two sisters could not marry each other.
Discrimination is not just about race and why do people like you equate allowing same sex couples to wed to sibling marriage? Why is there always slippery slope if it is same sex marriage, but your heterosexual ones will not lead to polygamy or sibling marriage, since both of those are straight couples? Traditional marriage, if you call it that, is religious marriage, not civil marriage and civil marriage is what we want, who cares what your church thinks when it comes to law that governs everyone.
Quit trying to play like this is the same as racism.
The two are fundamentally different, you act like they are the same, when they are not. Traditional marriage is about procreation between husband and wife, something that is impossible between two men in a same sex marriage.
For example, in traditional marriage we do not allow siblings to marry each other. But under the same sex marriage in a civil marriage, there would be no way on earth that you could justify why two sisters could not marry each other.
Race AND gender are both protected classes. In SSM siblings can not get married either.
There are several restrictions on marriage.
Age. Consent. Gender. Consanguinity. Number.
In the past race was a restriction on marriage as well. By removing the race restriction none of the other restrictions changed. By removing the gender restriction, none of the others will change.
Each restriction will have to stand or fall based on it's own merits. Changing the age restriction had no effect on any of the other restrictions, it simply made the age of consent different.
So trying to link SSM and incestuous marriage you are making yourself look foolish.
What part of full rights and protections did you miss?
Give same-sex couples civil unions, then people like you can claim they represent whatever you like. You can claim civil unions are not about procreation, not about children, they can be whatever you want them to be.
Just leave men and women their traditional marriage.
The laws governing civil unions will be different, because same sex marriages are fundamentally different. For example, why couldn't same sex siblings get married in a civil union? I mean, if you guys tell us marriage is not about the couple procreating, and it's just about two people living together, sharing their life, their property, and combining their finances.
You already have your traditional marriage, it is called a church wedding, why don't you leave civil marriage alone. The feds already said they will not recognize civil unions and will only recognize civil marriages. Your church wedding though does not get you any federal rights or benefits. Oh, marriage is not about procreation, that is so stupid considering that most married couples never do procreate.
Explained in the OP, and 5-6 times again later in the thread.
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