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Old 01-18-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You don't know that he wasn't a Christian at the time of the murder. Wishful thinking on your part.

BTW.....what is the definition of a Christian?
It is highly unlikely that he was a Christian at the time of the murder - is that better?

A Christian has been born again, and is a new creation.

The fruits of such a transformation are not going to be going out and killing a pregnant woman.

A Christian is one who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and accepts him as their Lord and Savior.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It is highly unlikely that he was a Christian at the time of the murder - is that better?

A Christian has been born again, and is a new creation.

The fruits of such a transformation are not going to be going out and killing a pregnant woman.

A Christian is one who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and accepts him as their Lord and Savior.
Prisons are full of such "fruits of transformation"........you go right ahead and trust them to walk the talk.......most people aren't that naïve.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Prisons are full of such "fruits of transformation"........you go right ahead and trust them to walk the talk.......most people aren't that naïve.
Sure they are - prisons are fields that are ripe for a harvest, and Harrier respects the laborers who go into those prisons and sow the seeds.

As a general rule, Harrier trusts no physical person completely, including himself.

That does not mean that he has any reason to doubt the sincerity of a person's conviction and faith in Jesus Christ.

The last words of serial killer Westly Allan Dodd before the state of Washington hanged him in 1993 were "I was once asked by somebody, I don't remember who, if there was any way sex offenders could be stopped. I said no. I was wrong. I was wrong when I said that there is no hope, no peace. I found both in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Look to the Lord and you will find peace."
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I may be an economic liberal but all this fuss about causing the criminal pain while executing him is complete nonsense.

AFTER ALL YOU ARE KILLING THE BASTARD!!

Pain is a likely consequence. I suggest public hanging be the formal method. Done right it is near instantaneous and the public gets to watch the result of their law. Besides the rope is reusable.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I may be an economic liberal but all this fuss about causing the criminal pain while executing him is complete nonsense.

AFTER ALL YOU ARE KILLING THE BASTARD!!

Pain is a likely consequence. I suggest public hanging be the formal method. Done right it is near instantaneous and the public gets to watch the result of their law. Besides the rope is reusable.
In New Hampshire, the default method of execution is lethal injection, but hanging may be utilized if LI doesn't work properly.

State by State Database | Death Penalty Information Center

Perhaps McGuire would have been hanged if he was in New Hampshire, and the execution went over the usual length of time, which it did in Ohio.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Some Beach... Somewhere...
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There is still no need to eliminate someone's life outside of a desire for some to kill.
It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt he did brutally kill an innocent victim without just cause. Society has deemed that the penalty for doing that is death. Part of that decision is to irrevocably prevent a recurrence of the crime, and the best way to ensure that is to terminate the offender. Ergo, he must die.

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Despite the attempt to portray it this way he did not kill himself. Nobody is arguing that the family is trying to excuse what he did either, that doesn't mean they do not experience a real loss.
And the source of loss is the perpetrator. No force or person outside of him brought about the circumstances leading to his death and their subsequent loss.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt he did brutally kill an innocent victim without just cause. Society has deemed that the penalty for doing that is death. Part of that decision is to irrevocably prevent a recurrence of the crime, and the best way to ensure that is to terminate the offender. Ergo, he must die.
LOL. I care less about the argument about how we might execute someone that didn't do it. It means nothing to my opinion that nobody should have the right to take the life of another outside of self defense. The odds of someone spending life in prison segregated from others if there is a belief he may harm others is infinitesimally low.

All the while the state will keep on killing.

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And the source of loss is the perpetrator. No force or person outside of him brought about the circumstances leading to his death and their subsequent loss.
Indeed they did. Killing him was a choice.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And the source of loss is the perpetrator. No force or person outside of him brought about the circumstances leading to his death and their subsequent loss.
That is not entirely true.

Sin is a force and is present in every human being.

It can be quite powerful.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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He gasped and lurched against the straps, much like his victim did when he raped and strangled her.

No sympathy from me.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Some Beach... Somewhere...
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That is not entirely true.

Sin is a force and is present in every human being.

It can be quite powerful.
Workin_Hard wonders how Harrier defines "sin". And hopes that Harrier will not resort to theological concepts to explain this.
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