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The term intelligent design was coined, then intelligent design was substituted for creationism in the text of a book. In the process of doing that, there was a typo in which design proponents appears right in the middle of the word creationists. Intelligent design is just creationism renamed in an attempt to get a religious concept into schools as a scientific concept.
No, it isn't. Only the intellectually weak believe so.
Only the intellectually dishonest and the intellectually weak deny it.
Prior to the the claims of Intelligent Design ™ being a so-called "scientific theory" (which it demonstrably isn't), any concept involving the idea of some form of creator designer was a creationist/teleological argument for the existence of God. The agenda of the Intelligent Design movement of trying to rebadge creationism as 'science' so they could sneak it into the schools, was proven in the Kitzmiller v Dover case.
Please define what you mean by the term "Intelligent Design" or "ID" otherwise you just seem to be dishonestly moving the goalposts whenever you want.
I'm just confused since selective breeding can produce quite a diversity of breeds as dogs in a mere thousands of years, yet folks can't seem to grasp given hundreds of millions of years how an organism can turn out.
Intelligent design is present in the former. Why do you assume it must be absent in the latter?
I've done that. HistorianDude has FAILED to do so. Time and time, again.
You can answer this question, though... Do you dispute that humans have intervened in the evolution of dogs, cats, farm animals, etc.?
What specific idea from the book have you asked him to refute? I've read the entire thread and not seen any.
Sure, humans have developed new breeds of animals. New plants, too. That just supports the Theory of evolution. We now know that the basis of evolution is genetics. So what?
That does not prove that intelligent design (creationism) is true.
Originally Posted by SourD Nope. 2 different things. I understand this just fine, you are the one having trouble. Adaptation doesn't involve genetic change as in creating a new gene, it is about the already present dormant genes expressing themselves. Evolution is when a NEW gene presents itself like the genetic code to evolve from a single celled organism to a multi celled organism. Single celled organisms don't have genes currently present that allows them to become multi celled just because the lake they are in dried up, that gene evolves over time for many complicated reasons and natural selection being one of them. SO, if evolution is present in everyday life, where is it? Where are the fish that are sprouting legs? Where are the primates that are walking upright? Where are the scaled animals that are developing feathers, etc.? The point here is that evolution has NOT been physically witnessed by anyone, only adaptation which MAY lead to evolution of that species in millions of years. Fossils aren't solid proof of anything regarding evolution. They could have just been a different species that didn't survive due to natural selection. The only way to tell for sure is through DNA which can't be attained through fossils.
Where are the primates that are walking upright? Well, posting on City Data, for one. Human beings ARE primates.
And yes, you can get fossil DNA. Look it up.
There is no evidence against it. In fact, there's a substantial amount of evidence that intelligent design has intervened in the evolution of dogs, cats, farm animals, crops, etc., etc.
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