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Old 01-10-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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Many of us have been pointing out that administrative agencies, like the EPA have become a stand alone entities with powers of all three branches of government, all rolled into one. The EPA writes it's own laws, hands out legal judgments, sentences people to prison or hands out fines and penalties, now it seems to even posses the power to override the US Congress and repeal legislation signed into law by the president, and redrawing the borders of states.

EPA Overrides Congress, Hands Over Town To Indian Tribes

Have you heard the story of the residents of Riverton, Wyo.? One day they were Wyomingans, the next they were members of the Wind River tribes — after the Environmental Protection Agency declared the town part of the Wind River Indian Reservation, undoing a 1905 law passed by Congress and angering state officials.

The surprise decision was made by officials of the EPA, the Department of Interior, and Department of Justice early last month, and has invoked the ire of Gov. Matt Mead, who has vowed not to honor the agency’s decision and is preparing to fight in court.

“My deep concern is about an administrative agency of the federal government altering a state’s boundary and going against over 100 years of history and law,” Mead said in a statement. “This should be a concern to all citizens because, if the EPA can unilaterally take land away from a state, where will it stop?”

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Old 01-10-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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The EPA cannot give land to American Indians, that is the department of the interior. They do need permission and cannot do it on a whim, please learn about the basics of American laws and politics.

It's doesn't really surprise me that a British Tabloid doesn't know how things operate in the US, and so far there is no reference to any backup to the story besides themselves. However, I would expect someone who claims to be all about being an American patriot would have a vague clue how the US operates....as well as exercise a little critical thinking to see if the story is true before running with it.

Of course, the "real Amerrrrrrikan conspiracy believing uber patriot" on average makes a sack of rocks look like Stephen Hawking...so I guess exercising pre-school level critical thinking is expecting too much.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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The EPA, DOJ and Dept of Interior found a 1905 law was not enacted legally.
That gave the town to the Indians. The EPA did make the ruling but with the blessing of the DOJ and the DOI.

Maybe the town should be thankful that it's now part of an Indian Reservation rather that under the strong arm of the FedGov ?

EPA reservation boundary decision sparks controversy in Riverton, Wyo.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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The EPA cannot give land to American Indians, that is the department of the interior.

It's doesn't really surprise me that a British Tabloid doesn't know how things operate in the US, and so far there is no reference to any backup to the story besides themselves. However, I would expect someone who claims to be all about being an American patriot would have a vague clue how the US operates....as well as exercise a little critical thinking to see if the story is true before running with it.

Of course, the "real Amerrrrrrikan conspiracy believing uber patriot" on average makes a sack of rocks look like Stephen Hawking...so I guess exercising pre-school level critical thinking is expecting too much.
It was a power grab done by administrative agencies, which was my point. But you want to ignore that because rather then listing them all I simplified it by referring to the EPA.

The US operates thru laws, the US Congress writes laws, and the president signs them, this is not a process allowed by some administrative agencies, headed by the president's appointees.

The surprise decision was made by officials of the EPA, the Department of Interior, and Department of Justice early last month.

The president might claim if congress doesn't act, he will empower his administrative agencies to write laws, repeal laws, rewrite laws, but he does not have that power.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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EPA has a history of over reach.

That organization needs to be emasculated.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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The EPA, DOJ and Dept of Interior found a 1905 law was not enacted legally.
That gave the town to the Indians. The EPA did make the ruling but with the blessing of the DOJ and the DOI.

Maybe the town should be thankful that it's now part of an Indian Reservation rather that under the strong arm of the FedGov ?

EPA reservation boundary decision sparks controversy in Riverton, Wyo.
So the EPA, DOJ and Interior Departments are the legislative branch, executive branch and the judicial branch all rolled into one? Who knew?
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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So the EPA, DOJ and Interior Departments are the legislative branch, executive branch and the judicial branch all rolled into one? Who knew?
Has anyone in Congress spoken up about this ?
NO they haven't.

The usual "silence" from Congress means they will not lift a finger to take back their authority over this matter.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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Has anyone in Congress spoken up about this ?
NO they haven't.

The usual "silence" from Congress means they will not lift a finger to take back their authority over this matter.
That's because the political establishment loves these power grabs, because one day their side of the isle will be in charge and all these new awesome dictatorial powers will be theirs to wield. The only ones who will stand up to this are the people who value the US Constitution, the separations of power and the rule of law.

The establishment politicians in both the Republican and Democratic Parties want to wipe out the Tea party, they want uncontested power, wealth and influence.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's because the political establishment loves these power grabs, because one day their side of the isle will be in charge and all these new awesome dictatorial powers will be theirs to wield. The only ones who will stand up to this are the people who value the US Constitution, the separations of power and the rule of law.

The establishment politicians in both the Republican and Democratic Parties want to wipe out the Tea party, they want uncontested power, wealth and influence.
Yes I agree. Precedent is being set here.
I just hope the other side gets into power before the EPA gives Texas back to Mexico.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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The EPA, DOJ and Dept of Interior found a 1905 law was not enacted legally.
That gave the town to the Indians. The EPA did make the ruling but with the blessing of the DOJ and the DOI.

Maybe the town should be thankful that it's now part of an Indian Reservation rather that under the strong arm of the FedGov ?

EPA reservation boundary decision sparks controversy in Riverton, Wyo.

I bet Obama would give Alaska to Russia and Texas to Mexico if they asked.
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