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Old 01-13-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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You assume all those people can work and aren't disabled or in school, or don't need to work like a stay at home parent or wealthy. How do you determine who is truly a marginally attached/discouraged worker?
I didn't determine anything.

Read the methodology. It's an estimate.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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I didn't determine anything.

Read the methodology. It's an estimate.
Ok, they didn't account for those people. The U5 rate is probably closer to what you are trying to show.
Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I found an estimate of total unemployed Americans that includes discouraged workers in prime working age - you know, the subject that's been argued about for the entire thread.

The real unemployment rate is still over 10 percent.
Then where does the 92 million Americans come from because 15 million doesn't equal 92 million?
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And which countries would all our rich people move to and would they become citizens there or stay Americans?
Where have you been? It is a global world now.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In February 1994, the WSJ ran a front page story warning that a historic shift was occurring in the service sector, with growing numbers of workers being permanently replaced by the new information technologies.. According to the WSJ."Much of the huge US service sector seems to be on the verge of an upheaval similar to that which hit farming and manuafcturing, where employment plunged for years while production increased steadily... Technological advances are now so rapid that companies can shed far more workers than they need to hire to implement the technology or support expanding sales."

15% of manufacturing jobs were permanently eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology. There is no reason to think the number for the subsequent decade will not be even greater.

Someone who has put in 25 years of hard work on an assembly line is qualified to do what in absence of an assembly line? If he or she had an aptitude for STEM, he or she probably would not have been working an assembly line in the first place.

Retail and food services has been the largest employment sectors in the U.S. since the 80's.
The retail sector had long acted as an unemployment sponge, absorbing countless numbers of displaced workers let go by automation. Retail now embraces the internet and many brick and mortar stores struggle. Economists looked to the food industry to rescue the workers cast adrift by technology. Even here, food is increasingly cooked by computer and food orders relayed to the kitchen via technology.

Global unemployment has been at its highest level since the great depression. The number grows each year as tens of millions of new entrants into the workforce find themselves without jobs.

Here in the U.S., we blame the workers, the schools, illegal workers, the greedy corporations, the other political party and government. We blame because there is no solution to what has and will remain a painful transition.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Where have you been? It is a global world now.
And we have a lot of wealthy people in the US. I believe that number has grown in the past 5 years as well. I am just pointing out that there isn't any wealth flight out of the country going on.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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Take a look at the comments on here and tell us how these people do not need a job.

Unemployment Extension 2014
People look desperate, I wonder how many of them represent the new poor, under Obama.

Our employment situation is in dire straits. So many people are leaving the work force, these U3 numbers a real freaking joke, but you watch, Obama will proudly take credit for 6.7% unemployment.
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Old 01-13-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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In February 1994, the WSJ ran a front page story warning that a historic shift was occurring in the service sector, with growing numbers of workers being permanently replaced by the new information technologies.. According to the WSJ."Much of the huge US service sector seems to be on the verge of an upheaval similar to that which hit farming and manuafcturing, where employment plunged for years while production increased steadily... Technological advances are now so rapid that companies can shed far more workers than they need to hire to implement the technology or support expanding sales."

15% of manufacturing jobs were permanently eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology. There is no reason to think the number for the subsequent decade will not be even greater.
...and yet, under Bush during those years we had year after year of statistical full employment.

Under Obama things are reversed. Exactly like Al Gore said "Everything that should be down is up. Everything that should be up is down."
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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Oh my God...I don't know how else to put this to make you understand. About four million people are reaching that age every year from when they started hitting that age (2011) and younger people aren't replacing them at the same rate. Those are the actual people retiring.
Wrong, and I've explained to you numerous reasons already, and even provided links showing there are MORE younger people than people retiring. If you want to keep repeating the same old talking points rather than discussing the issue, then you are just wasting everyones time.
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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Then where does the 92 million Americans come from because 15 million doesn't equal 92 million?
? Maybe you should ask the poster who made that claim.

Is it that hard for you to be logical?
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