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Macklemore's music is commercial and not what is considered real hiphop.
JayZ grew up around and knew Biggie and Nas before even starting his rap career. JayZ is from the streets. JayZ lived the HipHop life style. JayZ has had songs with Nas, Biggie, Tupuc, and other HipHop artist that are revered as being the best of all time BEFORE he was a commercially known as he is today. Kanye also was in the background and was in the business selling beats and what not long before his commercial appeal. Kanye was selling beats to some of the most respected people in hiphop long before he was signed. Kanye and JayZ's first records were not commercial in anyway. They all were know and had established themselves in the HipHop community long before kids in the suburbs knew who they were. Kanye was touring with Talib Kweli (and others) and battling with Mos Def (unsuccessfully) before he was a house hold name. Both still put out underground and also had a lot of noncommercial content out and about even while releasing commercial tracks to boost their album sales.
Drake is half and half. He aligned himself with from the ground up big name artist. Yes he puts out commercial music, but he also does street mixtapes, features with other respected hiphop artist, and puts out a lot of hip hop music on top of the r&p, rap, pop mixture that he puts out. You might not see it or do not want to see it, but there is a clear line between Macklemore's music and whats regarded as HipHop in the HipHop community....
What commercial themes are there in his music?
Just because Jay Z is from Bed-Stuy and his origins are authentic don't mean he became all about the commercialism, he even admits it in moment of clarity, and I'm not gonna be harsh on him about it, his direction as an artist, but from the beginning he was about the dead presidents. Kanye was never really releasing anything underground, his first album was under already commercially successful (and under Def Jam and UMG) label Roc a Fella.
I think you can say a band like Black Sabbath is metal and one of the first if not the first, if you can't hear the difference beween tehm and the Beatles you need your hearing checked. AC/DC often classified as metal in my eyes is better defined as Hard Rock and Led Zeppelin also often associated with metal falls into the Metal, Hard Rock, Soft Rock and blues category depending on what song you are listening too. I'll just put them into one of the best bands of all time, you really need to listen unadulterated liver versions form the very early 70's to understand just how god they were.
There isn't whole lot of pure metal bands around many fall into subsets like the "Hair Metal" bands of the 80's. Then you have a band like Rush, they fit into the Rush category.
You're tripping all over yourself trying to categorize these groups. How many subgenres are you gonna come up with?
It's just rock and roll man.
Moreover, I've heard everything you've heard. I'm steeped in rock and roll history, and it's not even my first love. Jazz is.
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Well then, I guess we should get Chubby Checker, Mick Jagger, David Lee Roth, Gregg Allman, Udo Dirkschneider, Lemmy Kilmister and Maynard James Keenan all together to sing a nice rounding edition of Kumbaya......
You're tripping all over yourself trying to categorize these groups. How many subgenres are you gonna come up with?
It's just rock and roll man.
Let's just call it good ****. Did you listen to the "Bring it on Home" clip from Zep? If you haven't heard that version before it shouldn't be missed. Rock has evolved and there is certainly many different distinct sub sets and but trying to pigeonhole many bands is problematic.
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Moreover, I've heard everything you've heard. I'm steeped in rock and roll history, and it's not even my first love. Jazz is.
I can listen to about anything but prefer "Rock", anything from the Beatles to Metallica. I draw the line on the heaviest metal, rap or old school country. I'd certainly rather listen to some Jazz than any of those three.
Just because Jay Z is from Bed-Stuy and his origins are authentic don't mean he became all about the commercialism, he even admits it in moment of clarity, and I'm not gonna be harsh on him about it, his direction as an artist, but from the beginning he was about the dead presidents. Kanye was never really releasing anything underground, his first album was under already commercially successful (and under Def Jam and UMG) label Roc a Fella.
What street **** was Drake doing?
Both Jayz and Kanye's first album weren't commercial albums. They weren't albums that were but out to appeal to the widest audience possible. That is what I mean by commercial. Nas was released by def jams, and KRS1 was released by bid record companies too, but the content of their albums weren't commercial even if they were released commercially... You're mixing being commercially successfully with having a commercial album... Wu Tang's first album was commercially successful, but nothing about the content of the album was commercial aka generic... Regardless, both artist were known and accepted by the hiphop community and both artist put out hiphop music.
I'll quote my response to drake again:
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Drake is half and half. He aligned himself with from the ground up big name artist. Yes he puts out commercial music, but he also does street mixtapes, features with other respected hiphop artist, and puts out a lot of hip hop music on top of the r&p, rap, pop mixture that he puts out.
Underground is not only in relation to the accessibility or success of the music...it's also in relation to the creative content. Kanye Wests music, initially, was very underground in it's roots. His music today has deviated extensively since then to the wildly experimental.
Any album with major distro is a "commercial release". Now, Kanyes first album WAS a commercial release but it was not crossover music.
Both Jayz and Kanye's first album weren't commercial albums. They weren't albums that were but out to appeal to the widest audience possible. That is what I mean by commercial. Nas was released by def jams, and KRS1 was released by bid record companies too, but the content of their albums weren't commercial even if they were released commercially... You're mixing being commercially successfully with having a commercial album... Wu Tang's first album was commercially successful, but nothing about the content of the album was commercial aka generic... Regardless, both artist were known and accepted by the hiphop community and both artist put out hiphop music.
I'll quote my response to drake again:
By that definition Macklemore's music ain't commercial, that song he made about gay love wasn't out to appeal to the widest audience possible, not at all. And I was kinda talking about being mainstream.
And you never talked about what street **** he did, I know he did some **** with Young Money but doin it with that ex-security guard that claims he's a gangster don't sound like street **** to me.
By that definition Macklemore's music ain't commercial, that song he made about gay love wasn't out to appeal to the widest audience possible, not at all. And I was kinda talking about being mainstream.
And you never talked about what street **** he did, I know he did some **** with Young Money but doin it with that ex-security guard that claims he's a gangster don't sound like street **** to me.
Next, Macklemore's is commercial and controversial. That's like saying if Britney Spears sings about gay people that she wouldn't still be a commercial artist.
Drake released 3 of his own mix tapes and was a feature on several others. If you're referring to rickross, what does his job short term job as a correctional officer 25 years have to do with the music he's putting out now or where he came from? Please explain without purposely having every other word "****" out so I do not have to decipher what you're saying.
40-70? I don't think so, if anything they'd be looking for more old school ****.
If commercial is about intent I really don't think he had the intent to get a big audience with a gay love song and a song about being in a thrift shop, neither of that sounds commercial in material.
Next, Macklemore's is commercial and controversial. That's like saying if Britney Spears sings about gay people that she wouldn't still be a commercial artist.
Drake released 3 of his own mix tapes and was a feature on several others. If you're referring to rickross, what does his job short term job as a correctional officer 25 years have to do with the music he's putting out now or where he came from? Please explain without purposely having every other word "****" out so I do not have to decipher what you're saying.
What commercial material does he have, you operate on the assumption that Macklemore is commercial without proving it.
Again what street stuff was he doing?
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Did you listen to the "Bring it on Home" clip from Zep? If you haven't heard that version before it shouldn't be missed. Rock has evolved and there is certainly many different distinct sub sets and but trying to pigeonhole many bands is problematic. 
