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Old 01-13-2014, 12:11 AM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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Stupid Obama and the liberals backing his Obamacare... they only focused on the health insurance aspect of access to healthcare and completely ignored the insanely high costs of medical care and pharmaceuticals. The bill should have also place caps on medical malpractice suits, which in turn would lower the cost of malpractice insurance.
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Old 01-13-2014, 02:31 AM
 
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Stupid Obama and the liberals backing his Obamacare... they only focused on the health insurance aspect of access to healthcare and completely ignored the insanely high costs of medical care and pharmaceuticals. The bill should have also place caps on medical malpractice suits, which in turn would lower the cost of malpractice insurance.
What is with you people and Tort Reform. I doesn't lower costs

And lol at Obama and democrats being liberal on healthcare. Obama is stupid for taking an idea from the right wing via The Heritage Foundation and trying to make it work. But this is the best we can do when even some democrats opposed a public OPTION....not even single payer. Only way to resolve these issues is single payer, getting rid of the fee for service model and giving the government the power to negotiate for lower prices on medical supplies, drugs and procedures....only then will healthcare costs come down and only then will every american have health coverage AND health care
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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Stupid Obama and the liberals backing his Obamacare... they only focused on the health insurance aspect of access to healthcare and completely ignored the insanely high costs of medical care and pharmaceuticals. The bill should have also place caps on medical malpractice suits, which in turn would lower the cost of malpractice insurance.
It's the providers that are the problem:

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Insurers aren’t even where the big money goes. In 2009, Forbes ranked health insurance as the 35th most profitable industry, with an anemic 2.2 percent return on revenue. To understand why the U.S. health-care system is so expensive, you need to travel higher up the Forbes list. The pharmaceutical industry was in third place, with a 19.9 percent return, and the medical products and equipment industry was right behind it, with a 16.3 percent return. Meanwhile, doctors are more likely than members of any other profession to have incomes in the top 1 percent...
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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It's the providers that are the problem:



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Actually unless the doctors actually own the hospitals, surgery centers and run their own labs, it's highly unlikely providers are the problem with healthcare costs. Providers income as a percentage of total US spending is the second lowest in the world. At 8% of total healthcare cost. Only the UK spends less on helathcare provider income than the US.

Physician Compensation 8% of Costs | Healthcare Solutions News
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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I am one of those who have no issues and won't sign up. I will not subsidize anyone but myself. The fine is cheaper and the ER turns no one away.

Be prepared for a $4K - $8K bill every time you go to the ER. You won't qualify for the insurance rates so you will be billed 100% of the allowable charges.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Affordable Care for EVERYONE! Whatta concept!
It's a great concept. The law which carries the same name doesn't provide that, however.

Case in point: My girlfriend and I have purchased individual policies. The combined monthly cost for those two policies is just shy of what we pay in rent for a four bedroom house in a fairly upscale area (the mayor and several celebrities live in our neighborhood). Her two boys (18 and 20) had to apply for Medicaid, because we simply can't afford to add them to her policy, or buy separate policies for them.

There is NOTHING "affordable" about the "Affordable Care Act."
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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So if you are a Tea Partyin Republican on Medicare, Tricare, or VA are you really concerned that a for profit insurance company might lose money with the ACA? The government pays out more than 300 billion a year on those programs. When is the last time Medicare, Tricare, and VA went over their budgets...no body cares on those programs do they...Those programs are free, oh I forgot they are earned and we dont care what they cost. The taxpayer pays for all those programs. Also Humana and I am guessing Aetna will be the next to complain. Where are the non-profits like Blue Cross? They arent complaining are they?
You forgot to mention "mobility scooters." I think you got all of the other SBKTs (Standard BorregoKid Terms) in there, though.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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you will be billed 100% of the allowable charges.
The difference between billed rates and what insurance company contracted rates with the providers are is shocking right across the board. One would think saying "I'll pay in cash!" would get you the cheapest charges but, no, you'll end up paying literally on the order of 100%-1000% more (e.g., visit eye doc - charge $95, insurance paid $43 per contract with eye doc).
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Do you understand how those numbers are calculated? For example as I recall "financial fairness" made up 25% of the score, a country that spends $100 per patient would outrank the US as longs everyone in that country was getting $100 worth of care.

That last time the WHO published those figures was in the early part of the last decade and the reason they stopped is because of all the issues related with it.
They also give a lot of weight to "access", meaning countries with socialized medicine automatically have a huge advantage (as it relates to scoring in their "study") over Americans.

I looked at the actual methodology they used once, and it's a complete joke, to the point that it appears that the sole purpose of the study is to make America look bad, and/or to try and push us to go with a single payer system. It really is that ridiculous.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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If he gets cancer, he'll sign up for insurance then and make everyone else pay for his healthcare.
Moochers abound, but there's a problem with that cunning plan: Open enrollment. If you get cancer while uninsured and it's six months from open enrollment, you'll still get to enjoy the unique US privilege of selling all you own to stay alive.
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