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Old 01-19-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Excellent! Maybe more people could afford to experience life in the Big Apple. Younger people just need a pied a terre to lay their weary heads down at night.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obviously you are a Glenn Beck conspiracy disciple....

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.

Here is a description of the four sections of the document.

Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combatting poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.
And how do they propose to change these things?

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Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development Includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.
Again, how do they proppose to control these things? Sounds like a lot of government regulation and coercion to me. It really sounds like socialism.

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Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups includes the roles of children and youth, women, NGOs, local authorities, business and industry, and workers; and strengthening the role of indigenous peoples, their communities, and farmers.
A lot of government control. Sure sounds like socialism to me.

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Section IV: Means of Implementation: implementation includes science, technology transfer, education, international institutions and financial mechanisms.
Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I.e., Government control . I think it's socialism.

Where is the individualism? Hmmmm? Where is the entrepreneurship? Where is the Liberty?
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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What is "smarter and more aware" abut choosing to live in tiny apartments? Giving up one's car? And only eating local?
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Head Start
Social Security Disability
Social Security Retirement and Survivors Benefits
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Medicaid
Medicare
Welfare (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or T.A.N.F.)
G.I. Bill
Veterans' benefits
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Food Stamps
Government Subsidized Housing
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits
Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
529 accounts (qualified tuition programs) or Coverdell education savings account (Education I.R.A.'s)
Earned-income tax credit
Employer subsidized health insurance
Employer subsidized retirement benefits
Federal student loans

How many of those programs are pre-paid, or are earned by service, or must be repaid, or are an insurance program that somebody pays the premiums for?
EXTENDED Unemployment Benefits are redirected taxpayer funds; they are NOT Unemployment Insurance. They are benefits paid by the government AFTER the Insurance runs out!
If you are going to list "Socialistic Programs", be sure you know what the basis of the program is!
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Obama is a unique breed of socialist. He is a hybrid socialist marxist fascist -> crony socialist. Obama needs famous billionaires and rich fat cat cep's from big business to support him to convince the middle class. The poor are easy to convince. Obama has made friends, campaign donors and political allies / cronies of the super rich. What does Obama care about the middle class and small business people, those people are insignificant to him but a billionaire is significant. They can write big checks to bankroll him.

They are crony capitalist in bed with Obama for government contracts, stimulus money and bailouts. Obamacare is an example. Small business got nothing but being forced to pay higher taxes. The irony is small business creates most of the jobs but Obama is killing small business.

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Old 01-19-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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I think that was a valid question but if you don't want to answer, no problem. Maybe someone else will.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Head Start
Social Security Disability
Social Security Retirement and Survivors Benefits
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Medicaid
Medicare
Welfare (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or T.A.N.F.)
G.I. Bill
Veterans' benefits
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Food Stamps
Government Subsidized Housing
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits
Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
529 accounts (qualified tuition programs) or Coverdell education savings account (Education I.R.A.'s)
Earned-income tax credit
Employer subsidized health insurance
Employer subsidized retirement benefits
Federal student loans

How many of those programs are pre-paid, or are earned by service, or must be repaid, or are an insurance program that somebody pays the premiums for?
EXTENDED Unemployment Benefits are redirected taxpayer funds; they are NOT Unemployment Insurance. They are benefits paid by the government AFTER the Insurance runs out!
If you are going to list "Socialistic Programs", be sure you know what the basis of the program is!
That is a very short list. In actuality there are 79 federal means-tested social programs that cost US taxpayers $927 billion ($717 billion federal plus $210 billion from the States) in 2012 alone. That does not include Social Security, since Social Security is not means-tested.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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As I neared the end of this article, tears began to well up in my eyes.

Articles: Forward
The author describes his life growing up as a kid in the former USSR, what it was like, and what his parents and the parents of other kids had to do to provide for their needs, much of which he didn't know at the time, and didn't want to know. He was shielded.He tells us of "deficits" of products, things that were not available for most people, and of "collective" farms, where adults worked. There were no 'family farms,' and vegetables were only available when they were in season.

Articles: Forward


Upon coming to America, he realized what they had always been told about capitalism was a lie. There were choices of products. Competition fostered design improvements. Customer satisfaction was the goal of manufacturers. This had not been the case in his old country where everything was manufactured by the state.The author now lives in northern California and sees signs emerging of things he was familiar with as a kid.Is anybody listening? "Progressivism" is poison. It is Marxist/socialism. It will destroy America, and with it, the Liberty and Freedom we have enjoyed for over 200 years, and our free market system that has made us the wealthiest nation in the history of man, and the only system capable of lifting people from poverty to wealth.

Our system has given us products unimaginable to those who grew up in oppressive countries with socialist governments controlling every aspect of life and production of goods and services.

Why do "Progressives" want to take us there? Why do so many Americans wish to follow?
Articles: Forward

Americans who embrace liberalism are simply what Mao called, "useful idiots". Liberalism is sold as a philosophy of compassion and altruism for the poor and middle class. In practice, liberalism is a cancer which has contributed to worsening the plight of the poor and middle class.

This is pretty obvious to the student of history, in which socialism/communism has worsened the plight of the citizens in which this system is employed.

The targets of the socialist/communists have been-

1. the church
2. the middle class
3. the family

Is it any wonder that essentially every liberal policy targets these groups? Keep in mind that in "Das Kapital", Marx was not opposed to monarchies and felt as though small "enlightened" groups should preside over the "proliteriat" (US- the citizens of the US). Why do all of the liberal senators, arriving in Washington with modest means, leave office as multi-millionaires? Our own Tom Harkin, arriving in office with a net worth of $400K, is leaving office with a net worth of $26 million, after a life of "public service". Futher, he has not even lived in the US for the last 20 years, residing in the Bahamas!
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes, yes you are! Obama is going to force you into a micro apartment at gunpoint. Jack-booted thugs will break into your house in the middle of the night to check your produce. If it's not local, the Black Marias wil be summoned and you'll never be heard from again.
I think you are purposely obfuscating the point of all her comments, and certainly you have not read the article. Let me guess: You are a BIG TIME progressive. You are an Obama administration apparatchik, possibly an OFA volunteer, you think man is destroying the planet, and you think government is necessary to "make sure" we are all equal.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Excellent! Maybe more people could afford to experience life in the Big Apple. Younger people just need a pied a terre to lay their weary heads down at night.
Go for it.

New York is known for having some of the highest property taxes in the nation as well. New York City has a separate city income tax in addition to the state income tax for individuals. New York City income tax rates range from 2.907% to 3.648%.

Sales tax: 4.5% in addition to the state sales tax of 4% and the Metropolitan Commuter Transportation District (MCTD) surcharge of 0.375%. This makes the total sales and use tax rate in New York City 8.875%

And Mayor Bill DiBlasio wants to increase taxes more.
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