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Old 01-21-2014, 08:36 PM
 
Location: NJ
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In the WSJ it stated that in the last 50 years 20.1 trillion dollars was spent on LBJs Great Society programs. They why are there ghettos in America? Where did the money go? Did it work? It doesn't seem so.
It proved without actual effort and change from the recipient class, no amount could correct their self-inflicted wounds.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Threads like this just make me laugh they are so stupid. How does the OP know the policies did not work. Maybe they worked wonderfully and if not for those policies the country would be another Mexico today. If you have not noticed, as the country moves further and further to the right, it does resemble Mexico more and more. Do you think the RWNJs care! Not on your life do they give a rats azz. Less and less for the majority means more and more for the entitled and greed obsessed 1% and their brain dead supporters who support those who screw them over. LOL, itès just so freaking mind boggling stupid.
Oh, and I hope you get beyond your breathtaking superstition someday. The Great Oz may claim wonderous powers and demand your worship, but at the end of the day, the President of the US (or the Prime Minister of Canada) doesn't really merit your great trust in him or her at all. He's just a guy behind a curtain.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, AZ
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The Immigration Act of 1965 along with the Civil Rights Act has been a disaster for this nation.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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Because it turned out to be a investment that returned little while cost have become unsustainable. It what brought us to the cuts we see now coming for decades ahead.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Oh, and I hope you get beyond your breathtaking superstition someday. The Great Oz may claim wonderous powers and demand your worship, but at the end of the day, the President of the US (or the Prime Minister of Canada) doesn't really merit your great trust in him or her at all. He's just a guy behind a curtain.
Well, I don't trust any of them. As one of our great prime ministers said, `All governments are bad. It`s up to the voters to pick the least bad one`

I can tell you this. The RWNJ governments are most certainly, not the least bad!!!!!
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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In the WSJ it stated that in the last 50 years 20.1 trillion dollars was spent on LBJs Great Society programs. They why are there ghettos in America? Where did the money go? Did it work? It doesn't seem so.
They wanted to make as many people as possible dependent on government for free stuff, not just tailor it to the people who really need the assistance. With 50 million people on Food Stamps alone, and 200,000-400,000 new people signing up for food stamps each and every month under Obama, I'd say they were successful.

The end game was to expand government, create a constituency that was beholden to government for some hand out, and then demagogue the issue, claiming that their Republican opponent wanted to take away their free stuff, and that is what they do each and every year.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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In the WSJ it stated that in the last 50 years 20.1 trillion dollars was spent on LBJs Great Society programs. They why are there ghettos in America? Where did the money go? Did it work? It doesn't seem so.
Progressivism never works. It's a utopian dream.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Poverty programs are designed to keep Democrats in power. Gotta keep voting for them to get the cheese. If poverty was completely eradicated who would need them?
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Old 01-22-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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Your premise that the War on Poverty "didn't work" is flawed.

It did work, it just didn't work as effectively as everyone would like.

From 1959 to present, the percentage of people who are "impoverished" in America declined from 22% to 15%. That's a one third reduction in the overall poverty rate. If we cull the data a little further, we'll learn that prior to the beginning of the recession in 2008, the percentage of people living in poverty was even lower. In 2008, the graph shows the percentage living in poverty was as low as 13 percent.

File:Number in Poverty and Poverty Rate 1959 to 2011. United States..PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contrary to what some say here, the war on poverty programs offered (and still offer) concrete ways for the poor to escape poverty. Here are some examples:

1. Job Corps Program. Trains those who dropped out of high school for skilled employment in an economy that demands skilled labor.

2. Head Start Program. Helps assist the children of impoverished families to get ready to learn in school. To some this sounds unnecessary. However, poor children come from many backgrounds. If you have little exposure to written and spoken English in your family than you are at a disadvantage compared to other children when you enter public schools.

3. Community Health Centers. Brings medical care into inner cities and poor areas that are traditionally under served by medical clinics and hospitals. Sick people have a hard time finding work. Treating disease and chronic health conditions makes it possible for many of the poor to hold down a job.

4. Student loans and grants. Make it possible for those who cannot afford college or trade school to do so.

None of these programs "encourage poverty" despite continued efforts by some on the right wing to distort and misrepresent what they do.

Historically, the War on Poverty was doing well, until resources were pulled back to some degree to fight the Vietnam War. It was cut back further, after Richard Nixon became President. Still, inspite of it all, one third of all those who were helped escaped the trap of impoverishment.

I don't know where the OP got his $20 trillion figure from. I don't want to know his source as much as I want to see a line item break down adding up to $20 trillion over the last 50 years. I'd be surprised if we ever had spent that much on the poor. Most money in this country goes to the middle class through social security and medicare.
I quit reading after this one, "1. Job Corps Program. Trains those who dropped out of high school for skilled employment in an economy that demands skilled labor.'


"For a federal taxpayer investment of $25,000 per Job Corps participant,[4] the 2008 outcome study found:
  • Compared to non-participants, Job Corp participants were less likely to earn a high school diploma (7.5 percent versus 5.3 percent);[5]
  • Compared to non-participants, Job Corp participants were no more likely to attend or complete college;[6]
  • Four years after participating in the evaluation, the average weekly earnings of Job Corps participants was $22 more than the average weekly earnings of the control group;[7] and
  • Employed Job Corps participants earned $0.22 more in hourly wages compared to employed control group members.[8]
If Job Corps actually improves the skills of its participants, then it should have substantially raised their hourly wages. However, a $0.22 increase in hourly wages suggests that Job Corps does little to boost the job skills of participants.'


"An Ideal Candidate for the Budget Chopping Block
Given the program's poor performance and President Obama's call for "the elimination of dozens of government programs shown to be wasteful or ineffective," Job Corps is an ideal candidate for the budget chopping block."
Job Corps: An Unfailing Record of Failure

If this is your example of a good running gov't program, there is NO hope for you.

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Old 01-22-2014, 12:15 PM
 
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Defense spending on useless foreign wars.

Instead of keeping our infrastructure up to date, which would have continued growing prosperity for all, we decided to build South Korea, the Middle East, and other European countries to fight the Russians.

There is a reason why the UK's, Frances, and other European allies have lowered their defense spending year over year, and ours increases year over year.

We went into debt to secure Europe, European socialism, and told our own citizens to go fly a kite. Now we have to cut programs that helped with social mobility. And still, law makers want to continue growing the military spending pie.

We spend 3 to 4 times what the rest of the world combined does on defense.
"Instead of keeping our infrastructure up to date'". Just ANOTHER example of how our tax dollars are WASTED.

And it is NOT because they don't have enough money, IE, tax dollars.
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