Pennsylvania: A Case Study for the Problems With Voter ID Laws (party, financial)
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By itself surely but we don't know the extent. The amount of tickets issued for going through a stop sign is statistically insignificant when compared to the amount of people that could of been issued tickets had they been caught.
So does that mean we should put monitors on every car that issues you a ticket every time you run a stop sign?
Again we can look at the indicators such as the reference I gave above, when 500 votes can swing a presidential election it doesn't have to be massive. One fraudulent vote is too many and we need to take steps to insure that all votes are legitimate, voter ID is one step in that direction.
So only 50 people voted legally in a district that had found 100 fraudulent registrations? I am missing something here.
So only 50 people voted legally in a district that had found 100 fraudulent registrations? I am missing something here.
One small county had 100 fraudulent registrations, I believe it was found that 50 of them voted. There is 67 counties in Florida so even without adjusting for population if that were to occur in every county that's 3,350 votes which easily surpasses the margin of victory by Bush.
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Let me known when there is a study that proves there is rampant voter fraud.
Yes how do they prove it if there is no voter ID?
Even one fraudulent vote cancels out my vote. Another fraudulent vote cancels out anthers. And on and on. Why don't we hand the election over to liberals. That is the goal anyway. We are just going through the motions for them to steal the election anyway.
I don't know-- every GOP organization in the country is still trying to find them. Are you saying they overlooked massive fraud?
Please explain exactly how you would determine after the fact that a ballot cast was or was not cast by a specific person.
Please give details of a method in which you can determine that a person stating they are John Clark is indeed John Clark without asking for ID and in a manner that would allow for reasonable prompt voting.
The answer to both questions is that you can't. Nor can those manning the voting station know if massive fraud is occurring. They very well could be overlooking massive fraud, there is no way to tell.
For those posting wanting to see proof that fraud has occurred, the proof has been submitted showing that the dead have voted. That very much implies that fraud is occurring by other means that are not detectable. Given that every election cycle there are election that are won or lost by a handful of votes, don't we want the election process to be a bulletproof as possible? Bush won Florida by 537 votes, an amount that some may call an "statically insignificant number".
Many have posted that the constitution doesn't mention an ID requirement for voting. The constitution is mute on how voting occurs. Given that the time of ratification that traveling to the US from abroad was dangerous, time consuming and expensive; and there were few reason to come to the US that didn't involve working and building the community I don't believe it was an issue they would have foresaw. Had they know that people would travel in mass to the US and that travel would only take hours, I suspect they would have added more details on becoming a citizen and voting methods.
Simply put, if someone is capable of getting a driver licences, signing up for welfare, medicare, Obamacare or other program they are capable of getting an ID. Sorry, but getting an ID is about as much of a burden as turning off the TV and going to the pooling both.
PA could've fixed a few bridges with the amount of money being spent on something that's insignificant as a problem. I'm more worried about the impending infrastructure collapse than I am about a handful of dead voters.
PA is a weird state anyway. It's all the GOP in the middle that prevent rational people from overthrowing the Communist state liquor monopoly.
Please explain exactly how you would determine after the fact that a ballot cast was or was not cast by a specific person.
Please give details of a method in which you can determine that a person stating they are John Clark is indeed John Clark without asking for ID and in a manner that would allow for reasonable prompt voting.
The answer to both questions is that you can't. Nor can those manning the voting station know if massive fraud is occurring. They very well could be overlooking massive fraud, there is no way to tell.
For those posting wanting to see proof that fraud has occurred, the proof has been submitted showing that the dead have voted. That very much implies that fraud is occurring by other means that are not detectable. Given that every election cycle there are election that are won or lost by a handful of votes, don't we want the election process to be a bulletproof as possible? Bush won Florida by 537 votes, an amount that some may call an "statically insignificant number".
Many have posted that the constitution doesn't mention an ID requirement for voting. The constitution is mute on how voting occurs. Given that the time of ratification that traveling to the US from abroad was dangerous, time consuming and expensive; and there were few reason to come to the US that didn't involve working and building the community I don't believe it was an issue they would have foresaw. Had they know that people would travel in mass to the US and that travel would only take hours, I suspect they would have added more details on becoming a citizen and voting methods.
Simply put, if someone is capable of getting a driver licences, signing up for welfare, medicare, Obamacare or other program they are capable of getting an ID. Sorry, but getting an ID is about as much of a burden as turning off the TV and going to the pooling both.
How come signing under penalty of perjury was ok until about 10 years ago? How come only Republican states are asking for Id? Why not provide the ID once when you register and then sign under penalty of perjury like has been done for 100 or more years?? Now if I decide to let my drivers license expire and ride the bus or live in the sticks I have to drive 40 miles for ID? Thank you Tea Party...you guys should go back to where you came from....under a rock I think...
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