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Old 01-27-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: southern california
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amazing stuff. teaching is racist, employing people is racist. dating is racist. law enforcement is racist.
evaluating people's literacy for welfare training and employment is racist. credit checks are racist. bar socializing and office parties are racist. private schooling is racist.
pretty much all functions of our society are now subject to charges of racism. its a bit like post revolution france. no one is safe of charges of treason. if the constant assault continues how will we have diversity?? with a stick you will accomplish diversity?
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yeah, too bad homie. Nam sayin' ?



I'm not sure I would use "Urban Dictionary" as a source to make your case. I feel like you can make a strong argument on the lack of merit of "ebonics" alone. Quoting a "crowd source" internet dictionary really just retracts from any credibility of your argument.

The whole argument against ebonics is that it's some bastardized version of American English. But modern American English itself is a bastardization of American English from hundreds of years ago. If you want to go way back, we're all screwing up a language from the plains north of the Black Sea ~8000 years ago.

Really, English is the most simple language grammatically out of all of the Germanic languages. I guess that means Americans and Brits are too stupid to use inflection.
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:58 PM
 
Location: USA
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amazing stuff. teaching is racist, employing people is racist. dating is racist. law enforcement is racist.
evaluating people's literacy for welfare training and employment is racist. credit checks are racist. bar socializing and office parties are racist. private schooling is racist.
pretty much all functions of our society are now subject to charges of racism. its a bit like post revolution france. no one is safe of charges of treason. if the constant assault continues how will we have diversity?? with a stick you will accomplish diversity?
Who is saying any of this? I know you enjoy feeling outraged, but I've never heard of most of this. Isolated instances don't mean that there's some pro-black trend in society.
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Old 01-27-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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I wanted to add that, although I do think having a standard language for professional communication is good, this wasn't always the norm in society. There definitely wasn't any standard spelling for English words until the first dictionary was made, and thus one could spell words many different ways in professional correspondence without issues. I believe the same applied to different grammar.
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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amazing stuff. teaching is racist, employing people is racist. dating is racist. law enforcement is racist.
evaluating people's literacy for welfare training and employment is racist. credit checks are racist. bar socializing and office parties are racist. private schooling is racist.
pretty much all functions of our society are now subject to charges of racism. its a bit like post revolution france. no one is safe of charges of treason. if the constant assault continues how will we have diversity?? with a stick you will accomplish diversity?
Yeah, I mean what is wrong a college professor screaming down the hall at another professor "Who let this [f word]ing **** [offensive term referring to a Spanish-speaking person] in here?" Clearly the graduate students and professors at UCLA are just being too sensitive.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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Why was racism used as defense when the student knew he was wrong? Wouldn't he want to thank the professor for helping him?
Tutored ignorance.

A story of such:

A few years before I enlisted in the Air Force--talking late 60s--the way enlisted persons were promoted was by the Air Force authorizing the local unit to promote a certain number of people. The unit commander made the promotion decisions, based on his personal judgment. With most commanders being white and the times being what they were, it was extremely difficult for black airmen to get promoted, especially to the senior ranks.

The Air Force corrected that by introducing standardized promotion testing and weighting promotions most heavily on the tests. Consequently, promotions of blacks rose instantly. By the time I enlisted in the early 70s, the now-senior NCOs praised standardized testing highly.

I also approved of the test, and toward the end of my career I even participated in writing them. The Air Force test creation process is one I highly favor.

But by the end of my Air Force career nearly three decades later, the new young black airmen criticized the entire concept of standardized testing as "racist." Clearly they were merely parroting what they'd been taught at some point before joining the Air Force. They griped, "We want to be promoted for our performance, not our test scores."

I tried to explain with great patience that their "performance" was nothing more than what their supervisors wrote in their performance reports and depended on what their supervisor thought of them...if they were worried about racism. The standardized tests were based on the study materials that were freely available to everyone. They had complete control over how they did on the tests; they had little control over what their supervisors wrote in their performance reports.

I fear many didn't get it. Tutored ignorance.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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I wanted to add that, although I do think having a standard language for professional communication is good, this wasn't always the norm in society. There definitely wasn't any standard spelling for English words until the first dictionary was made, and thus one could spell words many different ways in professional correspondence without issues. I believe the same applied to different grammar.
And so, I invite you to Google a copy of Roger Williams' "The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for the Sake of Conscious" and try slogging through its 1644-era exposition. Then let's talk about what a great invention the dictionary has been.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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Really, English is the most simple language grammatically out of all of the Germanic languages. I guess that means Americans and Brits are too stupid to use inflection.
No. It means that that there is no excuse not to speak it correctly.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Did he also correct the grammer and spelling of illiterate white or Asian students in the class? If so, he was not "racist", he is simply treating everyone equally. No one should get a special pass for stupidity based on their race.

I would like to see the papers that were "corrected".
yes asians speak ebonics all the time
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Yeah, too bad homie. Nam sayin' ?



I'm not sure I would use "Urban Dictionary" as a source to make your case. I feel like you can make a strong argument on the lack of merit of "ebonics" alone. Quoting a "crowd source" internet dictionary really just retracts from any credibility of your argument.
Any source will do, Ebonics is nothing more than bastardized English.
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