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Old 01-24-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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I find it interesting ***some*** do not expect these false idols to be held personally responsible. personal accountability is something everyone must answer to in the end. Police state, 911/Patriot Act, and a violation of privacy. Its all a fact of life now in America.
What is "ingesting" is that you find it "illegal" to do ones job.

 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Rumsfeld did nothing he was not authorized to do by Bush 43 and Bush 43 did nothing he was not authorized to do by a 69% majority in the US House and a 77% majority in the US Senate, who were supplementing the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that passed the US House with an 82% majority and unanimous consent in the US Senate, which formally made regime change in Iraq official US policy as well as the declaration that regime change was necessary by virtue of Iraq's repeated violations of UN sanctions and what President Clinton, Senator HR Clinton, Sen Kerry and VP Gore all described as a massive and ongoing WMD program.

People love to forget the 1998 raq Liberation act and all the passionate speeches made about WMD back then...when the US was making deposing Hussein official American foreign policy. Read Kerry and Hillary's speeches about it.

It's awesome how much history you simply MUST ignore to put the entire blame for the Iraq War on Donald Rumsfeld, or to call a SecDef doing what Congress authorizes him to do a "war crime."
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:14 AM
 
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Tell me,

Clinton changed the US goal in Iraq to become overthrowing the government.

What lies did he hear prior to Bush becoming President to support this new goal?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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Donald Rumsfeld was one of the primary architects of the Iraq war. On September 15, 2001, in a meeting at Camp David, Rumsfeld suggested an attack on Iraq because he was deeply worried about the availability of "good targets in Afghanistan." Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill reported that Rumsfeld articulated his hope to "dissuade" other nations from "asymmetrical challenges" to U.S. power. Rumsfeld's support for a preemptive attack on Iraq "matched with plans for how the world's second largest oil reserve might be divided among the world's contractors made for an irresistible combination," Ron Suskind wrote after interviewing O'Neill.


Donald Rumsfeld: The War Crimes Case | War Is A Crime .org


Despite PNAC (those unfamiliar can Google it) Rumsfeld and what has become of people in these illegal wars go against the Bible, and any people with a conscience.


For therwho have shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Bible quotes


karma is very real, according to any who have studied philosophy. How do they live with themselves?
As soon as the current idiot in WH repeals Obamacare.

In short, never happen. On both counts.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Donald Rumsfeld was one of the primary architects of the Iraq war. On September 15, 2001, in a meeting at Camp David, Rumsfeld suggested an attack on Iraq because he was deeply worried about the availability of "good targets in Afghanistan." Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill reported that Rumsfeld articulated his hope to "dissuade" other nations from "asymmetrical challenges" to U.S. power. Rumsfeld's support for a preemptive attack on Iraq "matched with plans for how the world's second largest oil reserve might be divided among the world's contractors made for an irresistible combination," Ron Suskind wrote after interviewing O'Neill.


Donald Rumsfeld: The War Crimes Case | War Is A Crime .org


Despite PNAC (those unfamiliar can Google it) Rumsfeld and what has become of people in these illegal wars go against the Bible, and any people with a conscience.


For therwho have shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Bible quotes


karma is very real, according to any who have studied philosophy. How do they live with themselves?

About as likely as somebody resurrecting their dead pet.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Rumsfeld did nothing he was not authorized to do by Bush 43 and Bush 43 did nothing he was not authorized to do by a 69% majority in the US House and a 77% majority in the US Senate, who were supplementing the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that passed the US House with an 82% majority and unanimous consent in the US Senate, which formally made regime change in Iraq official US policy as well as the declaration that regime change was necessary by virtue of Iraq's repeated violations of UN sanctions and what President Clinton, Senator HR Clinton, Sen Kerry and VP Gore all described as a massive and ongoing WMD program.

People love to forget the 1998 raq Liberation act and all the passionate speeches made about WMD back then...when the US was making deposing Hussein official American foreign policy. Read Kerry and Hillary's speeches about it.

It's awesome how much history you simply MUST ignore to put the entire blame for the Iraq War on Donald Rumsfeld, or to call a SecDef doing what Congress authorizes him to do a "war crime."
Oh no! We`re going to blame Clinton for throwing Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors out of the country for NOT FINDING WMD`S. If I recall, the House and the Senate were not consulted about this act of madness. One man and one man alone was responsible for this fiasco and it wasn`t Clinton or Kerry.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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"At this point, what difference does it make?"

For those that are too blinded by politics to understand the defintions of words taught to first graders, being incorrect does not equal lying.
Good point but there IS the smoking gun. This equals lying,
The Downing Street Memos :: The text
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Oh no! We`re going to blame Clinton for throwing Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors out of the country for NOT FINDING WMD`S. If I recall, the House and the Senate were not consulted about this act of madness. One man and one man alone was responsible for this fiasco and it wasn`t Clinton or Kerry.
In 1998, with almost unanimous votes, the US Congress made regime change in Iraq official US policy.

In 2003, with ~70% majority approval, the US Congress authorized the President to do whatever he felt was necessary to oust Hussein.

Read both laws, and read Congressional Record on all the speeches and debate made prior to the vote for either. Pinning it all on Rumsfeld at this point, and/or calling it a war crime is so stupid it defies comprehension.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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In 1998, with almost unanimous votes, the US Congress made regime change in Iraq official US policy.

In 2003, with ~70% majority approval, the US Congress authorized the President to do whatever he felt was necessary to oust Hussein.

Read both laws, and read Congressional Record on all the speeches and debate made prior to the vote for either. Pinning it all on Rumsfeld at this point, and/or calling it a war crime is so stupid it defies comprehension.
The president was given this authority as a means to force Saddam into allowing the UN inspectors into Iraq and that`s exactly the way it worked. It was not a declaration of war. This one was on Gomer Bush, not Clinton. You`ll never be able to rewrite the history of this tragedy. It`s already in the books.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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The president was given this authority as a means to force Saddam into allowing the UN inspectors into Iraq and that`s exactly the way it worked. It was not a declaration of war. This one was on Gomer Bush, not Clinton. You`ll never be able to rewrite the history of this tragedy. It`s already in the books.
Why then did Clinton change the US goal in regards to Iraq, to overthrow the Iraqi government?
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