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Old 01-25-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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It's called living in a society.. where we help each other out when times are tough so that they can get out of trouble .......

Or I suppose you would just be okay with those that fall on hard times being left to starve and living in a cardboad box, rather than provide a net that allows them to have a roof over their head while they at least try to climb out of it.

Oh.. and you competely ignore the fact that the poor in his country are actually WORKING poor.. in which companies that make millinos, if not billions, refuse to pay a wage that pays them enough to pay for their needs without having to have the government subsidize it..

No, I would expect those who decide to have sex and have children be able to take care of them. I have no problem with there being a "net" to help people get out of a rough spot, but the reality is that people putting themselves into a position and/or gamble because they know that the "net" will be there. My problem also is that millions are stuck in the "net" longer than they should be. The problem is that it's more like a prison than a net...

Yes, I know that many poor are working poor, but also, that's the fault of many of the poor. If many of them only had to support themselves instead of themselves and other children, then they'd be better off. If some of them got a better education before having children, then they'd be in a better potions to climb out of the net. I do not care how you try to spin it, but there's NO excuse for it. Don't sit her and try to tell me that most, half, or all of these women were doing well and made all the right decisions, but just happened to "fall on hard times."
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I suppose then you have some magic crystal ball that lets you see the future and plan for EVERY possible scenario.. LOL...

Have you ever head of condoms breaking or birth control failing.. I have.

Planend Parenthood does far more than abortions and they count for about 3% ofwhat they provided in Year 2013 of what Planned Parenthood actually does. AND those abortions are NOT provided for free with taxpayer money....
...not to mention someone getting sick after losing their job.
Clearly, people shouldn't do anything unless they have half a million in the bank as a nest egg.
I think that means only rich people should procreate.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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It's called living in a society.. where we help each other out when times are tough so that they can get out of trouble .......

Or I suppose you would just be okay with those that fall on hard times being left to starve and living in a cardboad box, rather than provide a net that allows them to have a roof over their head while they at least try to climb out of it.

Oh.. and you competely ignore the fact that the poor in his country are actually WORKING poor.. in which companies that make millinos, if not billions, refuse to pay a wage that pays them enough to pay for their needs without having to have the government subsidize it..
That they are making millions is none of your business. They do not have to pay anybody a "livable" wage. You, however, can refuse to work for a particular wage or find a different job. They don't owe you anything and you don't owe them either.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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I am pro choice and have no issue with free/low cost birth control for everyone.

That's good.. I am happy to hear that. Sadly, many that oppose welfare also oppose both those things, which makes no sense to me.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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You must live in a magic bubble where when someone I do not know falls on hard times, its everyone else's responsibility to pick up the slack.
You're the one who lives in a magic bubble, where nothing ever goes wrong.

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Old 01-25-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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So are you suggesting that all women shouldn't have sex.. and for that matter.. all men shouldn't have sex..

ROTFL..

yeah.. oooookaay... good luck with that. Look how well "abstinence only " worked for Bristol Palin.

we are human beings with biological urges to have sex. Fortuantely, we have science that has allowed us to create birth control so that pregnancy doesn't have to be a consequence most of the time , of sex.

But if you think that anyone not making a certain incme is suddenly going to be able to abstain and will obstain from sex.. you're kidding yourself. Telling them they should and not giving them access to birth control is a diasaster...

Poverty actually INCREASES the chances of having more and more children. Just look at third world nations that do not have a form or system in place to help those that are poor from procreating..
Talking about reading comprehension problems... I'm saying that people should know that having sex may result in a baby there for they should also be prepared to face the consequences instead of expecting everyone else to foot the bill. You think it's perfectly fine to sleep around, have a child, and then for the community to be forced to pay for said child...
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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...not to mention someone getting sick after losing their job.
Clearly, people shouldn't do anything unless they have half a million in the bank as a nest egg.
I think that means only rich people should procreate.
Nobody says you can't have children. However, I do need to ask who is responsible for raising your children? You or the government?

I am waiting for your answer.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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Talking about reading comprehension problems... I'm saying that people should know that having sex may result in a baby there for they should also be prepared to face the consequences instead of expecting everyone else to foot the bill. You think it's perfectly fine to sleep around, have a child, and then for the community to be forced to pay for said child...


No.. YOU have a reading comprehension issue.. nowhere did I say that.. perhaps you need to go back and actually read and re-read my posts.....

or you're just seeing what you WANT me to say so that you have something to argue about with me.. because it's easier to vilify me if I did say that.... which I didn't..
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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You're the one who lives in a mgic bubble, where nothing ever goes wrong.
No, I live in reality where when something goes wrong, I do not think it's weltschmerz responsibility to fix it for me.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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You're the one who lives in a mgic bubble, where nothing ever goes wrong.
Things do go wrong. However, knowingly having sex and then getting pregnant is NOT "things go wrong."

Getting sick because of drinking or doing drugs is not "things go wrong." Drunk driving is not, doing crimes is not, getting fired because of not showing up on time is not.
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