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Old 01-28-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Big holes work both ways.
Sure they do but these low life Somali pirates aren't exactly shooting 50cal sniper rifles at ships from a mile away. These also aren't the smartest humans on the water.

They're running their 50 year old wooden fishing boat into the side of a slow container ship, getting on board with beat up AKs and taking hostages in order to get money.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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The only thing I really care about is that US tax payers are not subsidizing wealthy shipping magnates via our military acting as their security firm. Let them hire mercenary/security companies or handle it themselves.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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Their will always be pirates however I agree the crew should be armed.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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We just need a lot less talking and a lot more of this.


Private SECURITY guards SHOOT Somali PIRATES - YouTube

If they would open this up to paying customers the line would be down the street.
this may help to scare them off....
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I watched Capt. Phillips and it is beyond my comprehension that our laws are such that these ships are not allowed to protect themselves and why, what logic would make these men sitting ducks?

What I would do, is weld on every ship a big gun that circles all around the ship...and have 3 shifts of men manning that gun. Bam, no more pirates?
Machine gun

Natural gas

Bad.

When they are going through small, valuable shipping lanes, the suez or panama canal for instance.....

They don't want those guys having guns. Thats pretty much why they don't have them onboard.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Machine gun

Natural gas

Bad.

When they are going through small, valuable shipping lanes, the suez or panama canal for instance.....

They don't want those guys having guns. Thats pretty much why they don't have them onboard.
yes well, that is no excuse...we're talking the lives of human beings here....yanno?
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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More guns for an already violent situation is NOT the solution!

Pirates Free Zone works if you use signs with large fonts. No self-respecting pirate would walk into a Pirates Free Zone, which is a proven fact by many Gun Free Zones in USA.
Don't you find it more than just a little frustrating you actually had to dumb that down and clarify it from your first post so another gun nut could get your drift?
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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yes well, that is no excuse...we're talking the lives of human beings here....yanno?
Life is cheap, sorry. We send troops to foreign meat grinders, all of the sake of money. Companies work their employees so hard, that when they are 50, they have the body of a 65 year old.

Thats just the planet we are on. What universe do you live in?
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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The only thing I really care about is that US tax payers are not subsidizing wealthy shipping magnates via our military acting as their security firm. Let them hire mercenary/security companies or handle it themselves.
Well yours is not the only military involved. Any number of navies from all over the planet have been tasked with patrolling those particular waters and it's that well known Shylock from your Merchant of Venice days at the root of it all. Insurance companies forbid armed clients protecting themselves as it adds another level of uncertainty and risk they cannot control that might clip their profits.

Picture this: a Somalian pirate engaging an American legal firm to sue for damages incurred while exercising his ethnic, historical, cultural and probably genetic predisposition to be a pirate.

You are a capitalistic society and should have come to terms with this about 200 years ago; wouldn't you think?
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Security for these ships is expensive and very few are attacked so it amounts to risk/reward. There is also the issue of what happens to the crew when the security detail loses, and the issue with gun licensing in different ports.
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