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Old 01-30-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Just another piece of misinformation from the same source...Judith Curry, and another denialist weather man, Anastasios Tsonis.
you probably also think the 10+ year cooling trend recorded in the Met Office charts aren't real, either.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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There is no such cooling trend. Here's what the Met Office had to say:

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This document provides a short synthesis of that global picture as it stands today. A fuller briefing is produced in conjunction with vast numbers of scientists each year, and published in a Special Supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (BAMS) (Blunden and Arndt, 2013).
The observations show that:

  • A wide range of climate quantities continue to show changes. For instance, we have observed a continued decline in Arctic sea ice and a rise in global sea level. These changes are consistent with our understanding of how the climate system responds to increasing atmospheric greenhouse gases.
  • Global mean surface temperatures remain high, with the last decade being the warmest on record.
  • Although the rate of surface warming appears to have slowed considerably over the most recent decade, such slowing for a decade or so has been seen in the past in observations and is simulated in climate models, where they are temporary events.
Note that it discusses a slowed rate of warming, not a cooling trend. They did not report a cooling trend. You can dig up the Met Office's July 2013 report and read the other 27 pages if you like, but I just had to glance at the summary to be satisfied that you are, as the saying went, talking through your hat. A bit of googling (met office cooling trend) and poof! The July 2013 report on this pause of yours is at my fingertips and I can see for myself what the Met Office had to say.


Perhaps you got confused and read the weekly weather report for Exeter, where the Met Office's offices are located. It is winter, after all, so a cooling trend reported by the Met Office in that respect would be no surprise. I bet that's it.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't like Harlan Ellison's writing much, and I understand he's a bit of a grump, but he was right when he said "No, everyone is not entitled to an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion." And you certainly aren't entitled to your own facts.

I'll never, ever understand how moon-hoax theorists and anti-vaccination nuts and science denialists come to be. It's all the same thing, only the object of the paranoid's focus is different. The refusal to believe facts that contradict current beliefs is pretty normal, but not when it comes to Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences vs. The Daily Mail, for the sake of Pete.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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That's the point. Geologic scale is not human scale, nor living organism scale. The magnitude of the change is not the issue... the velocity of the change is.
Over the long-term there have been other periods of rapid cooling and warming. Before humans and fossil fuels. Explain.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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How exactly did marco distroy Bill Nye? How does the moderator debating on one side make this a debate. How is the moderator being allowed to use video snipits to help one side a debate?

Lets not confuse a TV sideshow as real debate.
I asked myself that same question after every Obama and Biden debate.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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you probably also think the 10+ year cooling trend recorded in the Met Office charts aren't real, either.
I know they aren't, any more than GMO foods are proof of Intelligent design...There has been no cooling trend...Globally the last decade was the warmest ever recorded.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Over the long-term there have been other periods of rapid cooling and warming. Before humans and fossil fuels. Explain.
Educate yourself on climate forcings... Climate changes prior to the Industrial Revolution can be explained by natural causes, such as changes in solar energy, volcanic eruptions, and natural changes in greenhouse gas.....Recent climate changes cannot be explained by natural causes alone, so that leaves AGW.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:34 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Climate change deniers are really doing the world a justice...

...by reminding people that education is important.
Who denies that the climate changes? Nice education!
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Wrong again, Ranger.


It has certainly become about that yes. Thank you deniers. But that was not my point either.

It has nothing to do with the earth since the earth is non sentient, does not care, and will recover just as it has from previous insults to the atmosphere and biosphere.

It is about human beings and the impact of AGW on our lives, our life styles and our capacity to flourish.
We certainly won't flourish if we freeze to death without fossil fuels, or starve to death without fossil fuels, or can't work because we can't use fossil fuels.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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"Real scientists" you say?


Thousands of government funded studies that require the correct outcome to receive additional funding.
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