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Insurance provides protection against a possible eventuality. If the eventuality already exists, then it cannot be insurance.
Be nice to have some help in paying for that eventuality. And should that eventuality become fact that help in paying for it doesn't go away (I do assume you knew that, maybe I shouldn't).
Insurance provides protection against a possible eventuality. If the eventuality already exists, then it cannot be insurance.
Tell that to the guy who's job got outsourced and had cancer a few years back. Good luck to him getting insurance since he lost his job based insurance and have fun paying g cobra premiums. He doesnt deserve insurance because he is a moocher, right? So maybe health coverage should.not be seen as a financial product then?
I'm on my phone but a new poll just came out that shows even though people are not looking g favorably at the aca, they don't want it repealed but rather that it gets tweaked. I'll see.if I can paste the link from my photon but my
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Tell that to the guy who's job got outsourced and had cancer a few years back. Good luck to him getting insurance since he lost his job based insurance and have fun paying g cobra premiums. He doesnt deserve insurance because he is a moocher, right? So maybe health coverage should.not be seen as a financial product then?
Uh, who were the big brains who crow-barred your health plan coverage under the aegis of your employer and in doing so disenfranchised Millions of Americans?
That would be the American Hospital Association, the IRS, the National War Labor Board, the US Supreme Court, the National Labor Relations Board, any number of unions and your Congress.
And then the American Hospital Association and your IRS wrote the ACA rubber-stamped by Congress and you're all sitting around wondering why it sucks.
How many times do you have to get burned before you figure it out?
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Originally Posted by Weichert
Be nice to have some help in paying for that eventuality.
Okay, fair enough.
But first, you must initiate Free Market reforms in your healthcare system.
Your hospitals are organized as monopolistic cartels; they collude; the price-fix; they price-gouge; they discriminate; and you all put up with that like it's "normal."
If your restaurant system was run your like you healthcare system, you wouldn't put up with that for 3 seconds.
All the restaurants collude; price-fix; price-gouge; don't even list prices on the menu; you and your spouse order the same meal, and she is charged 3x what you are; and then when you pay the bill, another $800 is tacked on because you're "Out-of-Network" for using MasterCard instead of VISA.
Why do you all put up with that?
What's the attraction? Are you all just freaking nutso or what?
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Originally Posted by English Dave
Gawd give me strength....... here we go again. I'm not going to waste my breath again, beyond, I've lived with the NHS my whole 60 years.
Nobody cares. Anecdotal evidence based on personal experiences are as relevant as soiled nappies. You are not the United Kingdom, you're just one old bloke on an island.
No fair.....you're asking hard questions that make their little brains spin.
For god's sake don't ask them why there isn't an EU healthcare system, because that would just throw their heads into a tizzy.
The European Union is to the United States as Vermont is to Denmark.
Europeans get it.....Americans don't get it....figure that out. How these people even pass the SAT is beyond me.
He's basing his opinion on your Supreme Court, but don't let that get in your way.
The hospital lobby.....
American Hospital Assn
HEAVY HITTER The American Hospital Association represents 37,000 individual members at more than 5,000 hospitals and health care systems. With one-third of the nation’s hospitals in the red, the association’s primary focus is lobbying against any reductions in Medicare payments. Read more...
View totals for other cycles:
CONTRIBUTIONS
$2,383,767 ranks 137 of 20,981
LOBBYING
$19,251,200 (2012)
$20,823,341 (2011) ranks 5 of 4,368 in 2012
OUTSIDE SPENDING
$1,912,675 ranks 47 of 296
The American Hospital Association gave....
$779 Million to Obama for America 2008
$260 Million to DNC 2008
$428 Million to RNC 2008
...but don't let facts get in your way or ruin your day.
See if you can stay on-topic for once.....do that and then we'll work on your poor fallacies later.
Nobody cares what you can do.
$1,358,416,000 GDP New York City
$1,821,445,000 GDP Canada
New York City has what, 7 Million people? Canada has 30 Million....you need to step up your game.
Then free yourself if ignorance....
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list.
This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
$171,256,000 GDP New Zealand
$258,819,000 GDP City of Seattle, Washington
....you need to step up your game.
$1,458,300,000 GDP State of Texas
$1,564,419,000 GDP Australia
See if you can figure it out all by yourself.
One of these things is not like the others....
Mircea
You can be a smart ass all you want, so why don't you come up with the mircea solution, since you know everything. Besides, answer me all knowing one, why can't America come up with a single pay system that is the envy of the rest of the world. Try answering that instead of making idiotic condescending remarks.
You can be a smart ass all you want, so why don't you come up with the mircea solution, since you know everything. Besides, answer me all knowing one, why can't America come up with a single pay system that is the envy of the rest of the world. Try answering that instead of making idiotic condescending remarks.
Because the US is not a communist nation. Since you are obviously not informed, I will educate you: The US Constitution is meant to LIMIT the power of the federal government, not give them unlimited powers like you low information voters have a propensity to do.
What good is a government when the Chief Executive and Congress does not obey the Supreme Law of the Land? The federal government has absolutely no authority to involve itself in our health care, or health care insurance.
If you want your communist utopia so badly, find another nation that has unlimited governmental powers, because you will not find it here.
Be nice to have some help in paying for that eventuality. And should that eventuality become fact that help in paying for it doesn't go away (I do assume you knew that, maybe I shouldn't).
It is not an eventuality if it already exists. Insurance is suppose to be a gamble that you will not face a possible eventuality. If you are not paying premiums before that possible eventuality occurs, then it is not insurance.
Requiring a company to pay for a pre-existing condition amounts to theft. Why would any sane business shell out money for your illness if you were not covered by them at the time you became ill? What responsibility do they have to pay for your illness? We have become a nation of thieves, stealing the rightful property of others to enrich ourselves. What a truly pathetic society we have become.
Uh, no. They were offered time and time again their input and they absolutely refused. And once it was passed, they have spent time and efforts to repeal it (silly, considering that it won't get thru the Senate and if it did, the Pres would veto it).
Well, the old rule is that if you complain about something, suggest a better solution. That hasn't really happened, and what they've just proposed as a solution (most recently) pretty much guarantees that people will have to pay more for their health insurance, with less coverage. Brilliant.
You mean like when Obama met with Congressional republicans and told them "elections have consequences, and I won"? Is that how the administration sought input from the GOP?
There is another old rule about you break it, you own it.
It is not an eventuality if it already exists. Insurance is suppose to be a gamble that you will not face a possible eventuality. If you are not paying premiums before that possible eventuality occurs, then it is not insurance.
Requiring a company to pay for a pre-existing condition amounts to theft. Why would any sane business shell out money for your illness if you were not covered by them at the time you became ill? What responsibility do they have to pay for your illness? We have become a nation of thieves, stealing the rightful property of others to enrich ourselves. What a truly pathetic society we have become.
How do you define pre-existing? You could have a very minor problem that suddenly turns very serious. I can speak from personal knowledge on that. It happens. No one can predict. Not even you.
Because the US is not a communist nation. Since you are obviously not informed, I will educate you: The US Constitution is meant to LIMIT the power of the federal government, not give them unlimited powers like you low information voters have a propensity to do.
What good is a government when the Chief Executive and Congress does not obey the Supreme Law of the Land? The federal government has absolutely no authority to involve itself in our health care, or health care insurance.
If you want your communist utopia so badly, find another nation that has unlimited governmental powers, because you will not find it here.
Australia isn't a communist nation. Nor is Canada. Nor are Germany, France, UK, etc, etc. And they all have variations of a national healthcare system. Which works very well for their citizens.
How do you define pre-existing? You could have a very minor problem that suddenly turns very serious. I can speak from personal knowledge on that. It happens. No one can predict. Not even you.
If you have a known medical issue before purchasing insurance, then that medical issue is pre-existing and should not be covered because it is not insurance when the issue is already known. It is only insurance when the issue is not known at the time you are paying premiums.
If I am paying for health care insurance and I break my leg, I expect the insurance company to help pay for my medical bills. If I am not paying for health care insurance and I break my leg, it would be unreasonable to expect any one to help pay for my medical bills. I should not be able to obtain insurance with a broken leg, and then expect others to pay my medical bills. That is not insurance, that is theft.
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