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So why even bother to go to school, or learn to read and write, since any damn job pays a living wage, and then government will kick in some free stuff on top of that. Tack on free healthcare, free living wage retirement, and there you go, no incentive to do anything at all.
So if "any damn job pays a living wage" does that mean you would never take a job that pays well above the minimum living wage? Somehow I doubt it.
I guess we disagree on which era we should look at for minimum wage adjustments.
That is because you cannot objectively define it.
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Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont and Washington all have their minimum wage tied to inflation increases.
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Ohio's New Minimum Wage Rate Will Cause Continued Job Loss Amongst Vulnerable Groups
Legislators Past Effort to Index the Minimum Wage Causing Extreme Job Loss in Bad Economy
The negative effects of this ever-rising wage can be seen in Ohio's employment data. Teen unemployment, an indicator for the least skilled and most vulnerable, has grown 30% since 2006, 10 percentage points higher than states which don't index their minimum wage.
According to research from the University of California at Irvine, minimum wage hikes unambiguously reduce employment of those with the fewest skills. These negative effects are concentrated on the most vulnerable employees, particularly young minorities and high school dropouts. For every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, estimates are that employment falls 8.5 percent for vulnerable groups.
Yeah.....that's good....it's working out so well for Ohioans....employers fleeing left and right.
And you all want to know the funniest thing?
It was predicted....
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The Effects of the Proposed Ohio Minimum Wage Increase David A. Macpherson - Florida State University • Published on March 01, 2006
The study concludes that the mandate increase would result in a loss of almost 12,000 jobs and impose a $308 million hit on the Ohio economy. Most of the economic cost—$202.6 million—stems from increased labor costs for employers. A significant portion, however—$105.9 million—is the result of lost income for the almost 12,000 employees who will lose their jobs. More than half of the job losses fall on those under 25 and nearly one-third on those earning less than $25,000, adding cruel irony to the consequences.
Has productivity for minimum wage workers improved? It has tremendously for office workers, but how much faster are min wage workers pushing a broom, flipping burgers, stocking shelves etc faster than they did in the 60's?
An accommodating minimum wage has also a psychological and sociological value.
I work with the homeless through the soup kitchen and it is kind of sad that for many of these people there are no perspectives, you simply can't help them. Even if they get a job, and it will be a minimum wage manual labor job, they will not make enough to cover the cost of housing and transportation, and without that they can't hold a job. It's a vicious circle resulting from the fact that our minimum wage is embarrassingly low.
Take a look: $7.25 x 40 ( and in many cases its hard to get full 40 hour week) comes down to; $290 a week or $1,160 a month for housing, food, transportation, clothing and occasional medical and dental expenses. Now, how do you explain that to a homeless guy that this is what he has to try for?
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LOL. Really? thats your argument back? That we shouldnt pay people the baseline minimum wage because....?
What sort of world EXACTLY do you want to live in? So in your world....if I follow the logic presented....
minimum wage should be what? $1.50?
And we should subsidize the rest of that income with welfare and food stamps?
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We had a homeless camp in our city for a few weeks, and I ran into some of the people at the transit center. These are not city street/alley people, they have good jobs, making well over minimum wage. Some of them I spoke to are making $20/hour in construction. The problem is saving enough for first/last month rent and not having landlord references because many owned their home and lost it in 2008-2009. In our state the minimum wage is $9.32, one of the highest, but even if it were raised to $15 it won't be a "living" wage in an area with high cost of living and high demand for homes.
No, they tie it to inflation. The only difference is that minimum wage is lower for those below age of 23.
Nevertheless, the minimum wage is tied to inflation and adjusted accordingly not once but twice a year. If I were you I'd work on my reading comprehension skills lol
Btw. The Dutch don't have the per hourly minimum wage but weekly so if you worked 30 hours you gonna get more per hour compared to someone who worked 40 hrs. The weekly minimum wage for anybody over 23 is currently €336.05, that's $454.24 a week.
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I took one country..the Netherlands.
They do not tie their min wage to inflation.
They tie minimum wage to AGE.
I'm not going through the rest of your list but I suspect no one ties their wages to inflation.
Minimum wage in the Netherlands rises once again | Dutch News
The minimum wage in the Netherlands rises on January 1 and July 1 each year. It depends on one's age, and gets progressively higher from age 15 to 22, then remains the same for everyone aged 23 or older.
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Productivity of machines/technology has increased, not the people in low skill jobs. When the robots get a minimum wage you can make that argument.
No. There is no productivity in context of machines, only humans lol
And yes, productivity of all humans has vastly improved in the past 100 years, mostly because of the use of said machines. And low skill people use machines as well, even if it is just an electronic cash register.
No. There is no productivity in context of machines, only humans lol
And yes, productivity of all humans has vastly improved in the past 100 years, mostly because of the use of said machines. And low skill people use machines as well, even if it is just an electronic cash register.
I work in a giant cubicle farm. Late at night the janitors come speeding down the aisle in these riding vacuum cleaners. No joke. They do it two lanes at a time, and race each other to the end of the cube sections. They're pretty fast too.
I stay inside my cube-its safer then running the mad max aisle. They often play music, I want to hear ride of the valkyries next time they do it.
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