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Old 02-01-2014, 05:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The GOP is trying to expand it's base. That is the smart thing to do.
Right. Look how well it's worked for them in the last few Presidential elections.

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When will they notice that the "middle of the road" approach, only wins when they are up against complete buffoons like Gore and Kerry?

When will they realize that the best opposition to the liberals, is plain small-govt responsible-citizen conservatism?

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Old 02-01-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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So the GOP should thumb their noses at our immigration laws to "expand its base"? They would gain little if nothing of the Hispanic by doing so as they typically vote Democrat as most minorities do anyway. What makes a group think that their group should be above our immigration laws anyway? It isn't only hard core conservatives that want our immigration laws enforce and are anti-amnesty.
I hear you and I understand where you are coming from.

However, sometimes a law is bad to begin with. If a law is ineffective, of dubious intent, completely unenforceable ... maybe it's time to change that law.

Besides, who says Hispanics will vote for Democrats for all time? They are now the second largest minority group in the US, surpassing African-Americans. Doesn't it make sense to court them and try to "woo" them over to the other side?
 
Old 02-01-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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The problem with the republican party is that it is comprised of basically 3 parts, two of which have no business being in it: the true small government/low-tax conservatives, the religious/social conservatives, and the business/US chamber of commerce wing.

As long as that 3rd section - the business wing - is included in the republican party, the GOP will never be a real conservative, rational party. The business wing is for endless illegal immigrants (slave labor) which destroys the social fabric of the country and the middle class, it is for corporate welfare which is fundamentally wrong unless for true R&D, it is for endless wars to fund the MIC, and for monopolist corporations like Verizon/Time Warner which drive the cost of cell phones and cable TV to far higher levels, with worse product, than elsewhere around the world.

If the GOP were to outright expel the business and religious wings, take a centrist position on social issues like abortion, and a conservative one on fiscal/tax issues and immigration, it would be the majority party for the next 100 years. But the current leadership is beholden to the fat campaign donations from large corporations, so it would rather be a fragmented, opposition party than a majority, successful one.
I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the last part ... elected officials are beholden to the wealthy and corporate donors who finance their election campaigns. Elected officials have to spend more time fundraising than actual legislating or governing.
 
Old 02-01-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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I hear you and I understand where you are coming from.

However, sometimes a law is bad to begin with. If a law is ineffective, of dubious intent, completely unenforceable ... maybe it's time to change that law.

Besides, who says Hispanics will vote for Democrats for all time? They are now the second largest minority group in the US, surpassing African-Americans. Doesn't it make sense to court them and try to "woo" them over to the other side?
Explain to me how our immigration laws are bad. We allow in 1 million legal immigrants a year in keeping with our ability to supply them with jobs and resources. We should change that sane policy because it is bad? How is it bad?

The law is only ineffective because we haven't been enforcing our immigration laws as we should. It's won't be enforceable unless we change that along with removing the incentives for them to remain here or to continue to come here.

Didn't say that all Hispanics vote Democrat but the majority do and will likely continue that trend. Since when should any group be "courted" for votes by ignoring our laws for them? You must be kidding. The Hispanic vote is a drop in the bucket compared to the non-Hispanic vote anyway.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:16 AM
 
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Really?
Yes really.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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Then you favor "legalization". Amnesty forgives crimes and allows pathway to citizenship. Legalization does not.
Yes it does.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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The Senate has offered it's version of Immigration reform and the House is working on their version. In either version, there is no provision to change the 14th amendment's meaning.
There should be because they should not be citizens.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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I hear you and I understand where you are coming from.

However, sometimes a law is bad to begin with. If a law is ineffective, of dubious intent, completely unenforceable ... maybe it's time to change that law.

Besides, who says Hispanics will vote for Democrats for all time? They are now the second largest minority group in the US, surpassing African-Americans. Doesn't it make sense to court them and try to "woo" them over to the other side?
What law is bad? If its the potential amnesty than yes it is bad.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Pa
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I hear you and I understand where you are coming from.

However, sometimes a law is bad to begin with. If a law is ineffective, of dubious intent, completely unenforceable ... maybe it's time to change that law.

Besides, who says Hispanics will vote for Democrats for all time? They are now the second largest minority group in the US, surpassing African-Americans. Doesn't it make sense to court them and try to "woo" them over to the other side?
or they can pass laws that are enforceable such as a mandatory E-verify for all businesses and landlords. Make life impossible and illegals will have no choice but to self deport. Put some real teeth in the fines and make it to expensive to get caught.
Pandering to criminals is an all new low.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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or they can pass laws that are enforceable such as a mandatory E-verify for all businesses and landlords. Make life impossible and illegals will have no choice but to self deport. Put some real teeth in the fines and make it to expensive to get caught.
Pandering to criminals is an all new low.
& end automatic citizenship to children of illegals.
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