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So beyond ao the heresay and hoaxes, rumors and myths, Obamacare still has a number of critics. In spite of the fact that millions of people will now have access to healthcare coverage, meaning lives will be improved and saved, some people still claim to hate Obamacare.
Why do YOU hate Obamacare?
What are your reasons ?
Please tell me what is wrong with it.
So beyond ao the heresay and hoaxes, rumors and myths, Obamacare still has a number of critics.
Rightfully so.
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Originally Posted by LargeKingCat
In spite of the fact that millions of people will now have access to healthcare coverage, meaning lives will be improved and saved, some people still claim to hate Obamacare.
This is rhetorical bunk, already disproved not only by the law's implementation and rollout, but by the law's very own design.
The number of overall insured has actually dropped.
Insurance does not save lives, health care does.
For people using the federal or state exchanges for a policy other than Medicaid, on average, have had higher premiums, higher deductibles, and worse overall coverage.
Anyone with a high quality health plan either on their own or through an employer group plan is now penalized for having something someone else doesn't.
The free rider problem, the adverse selection problem, the preexisting coverage problem, and the "willy nilly dismissal of all the rules that force the program to be even remotely mathematically tenable" problem all still exist.
Adverse selection will end up raising premiums nationwide.
The ACA has resulted in, based on official statements, job losses, reduction work hours, and the suspension of health care benefits for many businesses to be able to profitably comply with the ACA mandates.
Which of these things is saving or improving lives?
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Originally Posted by LargeKingCat
Why do YOU hate Obamacare? What are your reasons ? Please tell me what is wrong with it.
Because it forces the private citizen to purchase a private good, which is abject tyranny.
Because it is based on the wildly absurd notion that health care is a right, which means all health care providers are slaves.
Because the reason health care costs exploded in the first place was government meddling in the labor market post-WW II, along with the monstrosity called Medicare in 1965, which means more government is the worst possible answer to this particular question.
Because health care is not a right because health care providers are not slaves.
Because the government can't even do simple arithmetic, build a website, or find 25 million people living and working in the United States illegally...so how the hell are they supposed to run their own health insurance business?
Because DMV, Post Office and AmTrak...except now in charge of people getting health insurance.
Because the law is 2,000 pages of trap doors, kickbacks, graft and racketeering, having nothing to do with health care and everything to do with creating the medical version of Fannie & Freddie for political money laundering, except now instead of wrecking the mortgage lending industry, they'll kill people.
Because an individual should be able to buy insurance or not buy insurance without some political nationalism gun pointed at their face.
Because I despise nanny state Fabian socialism, especially more odious examples like this.
Because it's design is an economic impossibility based insurance being required to cover preexisting conditions, not charge based on risk but instead on "community ratings", deal with free riders and adverse selection, but still remain profitable. The only way to make all of those work is with massive bailouts to the giant insurers every single year from now until either end of time or end of the insurance industry, thus putting bad math and bad politics onto the taxpayers tab because gullible rubes like you think the ACA "improves and saves lives."
I hate obamacare because I lost my previous plan due to it's implementation and additional requirements. A new, similar plan is nearly triple what I was paying before. The cheapest new plan is also an HMO, and I don't want an HMO. The cheapest plan is still a high deductible plan (like my previous plan) but not worth the new, increased premium cost.
Haven't been affected yet, but I would not enjoy paying a higher price to cover someone else's risk or for things that have no chance of happening to me.
Because i now have to pay a fine aka " tax " since i no longer have a freedom of choice wether or not i need insurance for myself. I have had NO problems doing self pay cash for any and all doctor visits or a payment plan.
Its a shame to see people lose their insurance and now having to pay the INSANE prices of their medicine. I have seen peoples co pays come up way higher now , and now some things are not covered anymore. GREAT ****ING JOB YOU LIBERAL LOSERS... BURN IN HELL .
This is rhetorical bunk, already disproved not only by the law's implementation and rollout, but by the law's very own design.
The number of overall insured has actually dropped.
Insurance does not save lives, health care does.
For people using the federal or state exchanges for a policy other than Medicaid, on average, have had higher premiums, higher deductibles, and worse overall coverage.
Anyone with a high quality health plan either on their own or through an employer group plan is now penalized for having something someone else doesn't.
The free rider problem, the adverse selection problem, the preexisting coverage problem, and the "willy nilly dismissal of all the rules that force the program to be even remotely mathematically tenable" problem all still exist.
Adverse selection will end up raising premiums nationwide.
The ACA has resulted in, based on official statements, job losses, reduction work hours, and the suspension of health care benefits for many businesses to be able to profitably comply with the ACA mandates.
Which of these things is saving or improving lives?
Because it forces the private citizen to purchase a private good, which is abject tyranny.
Because it is based on the wildly absurd notion that health care is a right, which means all health care providers are slaves.
Because the reason health care costs exploded in the first place was government meddling in the labor market post-WW II, along with the monstrosity called Medicare in 1965, which means more government is the worst possible answer to this particular question.
Because health care is not a right because health care providers are not slaves.
Because the government can't even do simple arithmetic, build a website, or find 25 million people living and working in the United States illegally...so how the hell are they supposed to run their own health insurance business?
Because DMV, Post Office and AmTrak...except now in charge of people getting health insurance.
Because the law is 2,000 pages of trap doors, kickbacks, graft and racketeering, having nothing to do with health care and everything to do with creating the medical version of Fannie & Freddie for political money laundering, except now instead of wrecking the mortgage lending industry, they'll kill people.
Because an individual should be able to buy insurance or not buy insurance without some political nationalism gun pointed at their face.
Because I despise nanny state Fabian socialism, especially more odious examples like this.
Because it's design is an economic impossibility based insurance being required to cover preexisting conditions, not charge based on risk but instead on "community ratings", deal with free riders and adverse selection, but still remain profitable. The only way to make all of those work is with massive bailouts to the giant insurers every single year from now until either end of time or end of the insurance industry, thus putting bad math and bad politics onto the taxpayers tab because gullible rubes like you think the ACA "improves and saves lives."
Should just lock the thread after this post.
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