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Old 02-10-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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Good grief. Do you know what year we are in? Start a movement to get watermelon banned. Let's make eating watermelon politically incorrect because it may conjure up the past and hurt someone's feelings. Aside from you, who uses those words or thinks that way today??

When I eat watermelon I'm too busy enjoying it because it is so mouthwatering good during the hot weather. Other thoughts might be a memory of a sandy beach or a picnic. And when I "see" someone eating watermelon I don't give it a thought, other than maybe wanting some.
This is the thing. It isn't about the watermelon. It is about attributing watermelon exclusively to Black people. it is the history behind it that is to be considered.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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This is the thing. It isn't about the watermelon. It is about attributing watermelon exclusively to Black people. it is the history behind it that is to be considered.
where was exclusivity stated or even implied?

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nowhere
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Excellent point. Maybe the perception is that in the old days people of communities that were marginalized by such stereotypes didn't have the courage to challenge such imagery - due to fear of retaliation. That's changed.

And OTOH, those people who are used to not being challenged when they talk disparagingly about other people and stereotypes, either are 1) shocked that they can't go back to 1958 or 2) wish they can do so without societal sanction. They don't want the consequences of someone else calling them on it.

The excuse of "PC" is really a cheap, tired way of not wanting to be called on it.
I look at it like this. If one has the right to make a caricature of a certain ethnicity, then I have the right to call it out. If it's free speech for that person, then I can exercise that right too. I think in some cases, I don't speak out more because I'm afraid of people screaming "PC". To me it is "I have a genuine problem and being silent about it is not helping me at all".
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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where was exclusivity stated or even implied?

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nowhere
It doesn't have to be implied. Black History Month. Watermelon featured on the menu. Please think about that.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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I don't buy that. Isn't it ever considered that people might be making fun of your heritage. And if said persons are making fun of your heritage, they are making fun of you. That is how I look at it.

The whole "PC excuse", to me, that is a cop out. I don't consider it "PC" to not want to be made fun of. I won't "embrace" any caricatures of Blacks because, in my judgment, I'm basically saying "you can laugh at me and regard me with no amount of respect". This is why I don't watch BET. This is why I've shunned most rap music. I don't embrace it. I don't want to be held to that.

As for tacos and carne asada, there is a difference. Those foods are particular to Mexico. However, watermelon and fried chicken are SOUTHERN foods, as in, it is food particular to southerners, both Black and White. It is not a "racially particular" food. In fact, watermelon has been cultivated in China as early as the 10th century AD. Native Americans planted it too. That is why it annoys me when people try to portray Black people as "watermelon eaters" or associate watermelon exclusively with Black people. It's basically singling Black people out. Me calling it out is me exercising my rights to say what I think. If a person has the freedom of speech to portray Blacks or other ethnicities in caricatured ways, then I have the right to call it out, and say what I feel. I have that right.
I don't care what you buy. It's exactly all this diatribe you present above that proves my point.

Sorry you remain shackled to the tenets of Liberalism. I broke free of that mindset decades ago.

You can scream racism all you want. At the end of the day you are still a slave.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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It doesn't have to be implied. Black History Month. Watermelon featured on the menu. Please think about that.
of course it was featured on the menu, that's right in the thread title.

when and where was it 'attibuted exclusively to black people,' as you claimed?

please think about that and get back to us.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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I don't care what you buy. It's exactly all this diatribe you present above that proves my point.

Sorry you remain shackled to the tenets of Liberalism. I broke free of that mindset decades ago.

You can scream racism all you want. At the end of the day you are still a slave.
What I am seeing is insults and talking around the subject, but none of what I've said has been refuted. If it cannot be proven that anything I've said is "liberalism", then, the problem lies, not with what I've said, but with the fact that I have said it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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What I am seeing is insults and talking around the subject, but none of what I've said has been refuted.
No need to refute your false narrative. It refutes itself.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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of course it was featured on the menu, that's right in the thread title.

when and where was it 'attibuted exclusively to black people,' as you claimed?

please think about that and get back to us.
Why else would it be on the menu for "Black History Month"? And has watermelon ever been served on the menu any other time of the year?

And can history be refuted? Can the fact that such a stereotype gets portrayed be refuted?

Watermelon stereotype - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notes From Atlanta: Fried Chicken and Watermelon: Racism Through Food in America
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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No need to refute your false narrative. It refutes itself.
How is my narrative false?
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