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Old 02-07-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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“We’re three times as cheap as what is being built for publicly funded affordable housing,” Justus says.

Justus founded nonprofit JOIN, one of the city’s most respected homeless agencies, before transforming himself into a developer of low-income housing. He says he could build hundreds more low-income housing units without public funding. But he’d need more cooperation from the city Bureau of Development Services. He has all sorts of ideas for inexpensive dwellings, including micro apartments with kitchenettes, that could cheaply house the growing number of Portland’s working poor.

“Do I think the city of Portland BDS is going to let us do something like this? No,” Justus says.

http://cni.pmgnews.com/pt/9-news/209...-of-affordable
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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“We’re three times as cheap as what is being built for publicly funded affordable housing,” Justus says.

Justus founded nonprofit JOIN, one of the city’s most respected homeless agencies, before transforming himself into a developer of low-income housing. He says he could build hundreds more low-income housing units without public funding. But he’d need more cooperation from the city Bureau of Development Services. He has all sorts of ideas for inexpensive dwellings, including micro apartments with kitchenettes, that could cheaply house the growing number of Portland’s working poor.

“Do I think the city of Portland BDS is going to let us do something like this? No,” Justus says.

High cost of 'affordable'
But then Goveernment would not have control. This is a nice litmus test to see what a "progressive" Government like Portland really wants- control or affordable living for working people.

I bet Government overwhelms this business with all sorts of red tape to get him to stop competing with publicly funded housing. It is all about control.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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But then Goveernment would not have control. This is a nice litmus test to see what a "progressive" Government like Portland really wants- control or affordable living for working people.

I bet Government overwhelms this business with all sorts of red tape to get him to stop competing with publicly funded housing. It is all about control.

Can't allow this without a sweetheart kickback deal to some corrupt union or favored developer who will pad the bid.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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“We’re three times as cheap as what is being built for publicly funded affordable housing,” Justus says.

Justus founded nonprofit JOIN, one of the city’s most respected homeless agencies, before transforming himself into a developer of low-income housing. He says he could build hundreds more low-income housing units without public funding. But he’d need more cooperation from the city Bureau of Development Services. He has all sorts of ideas for inexpensive dwellings, including micro apartments with kitchenettes, that could cheaply house the growing number of Portland’s working poor.

“Do I think the city of Portland BDS is going to let us do something like this? No,” Justus says.

http://cni.pmgnews.com/pt/9-news/209...-of-affordable
Before government entered the housing business through exclusionary zoning, developer set asides, rent control and other gimmicks the private market adequately met the housing demands across the class spectrum. Government simply makes things worse.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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But then Goveernment would not have control. This is a nice litmus test to see what a "progressive" Government like Portland really wants- control or affordable living for working people.

I bet Government overwhelms this business with all sorts of red tape to get him to stop competing with publicly funded housing. It is all about control.

Yes, it IS all about control. "Progressives" like to talk one way, and act another.

It will be very interesting to see what happens with this guy -- clearly, he can build this housing more efficiently than any bloated, bureaucratic government agency.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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The government is a huge part if the issue. This is in Portland, it doesn't really surprise me.
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“What is wrong with the system is there is a fixation on addressing multiple social issues on the backs of poor people,” he says.

Justus isn’t against building green or paying union wages to construction workers. But the job is to get low-income people into housing they can afford, he says, and all those extra requirements are making it impossible.
He was only able to do it this cheap because he was able to waiver out of some of the expensive "feel good" rules. Safety rules are one thing. Demanding costly, minuscule green impact, things to build homes is ridiculous.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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But then Goveernment would not have control. This is a nice litmus test to see what a "progressive" Government like Portland really wants- control or affordable living for working people.

I bet Government overwhelms this business with all sorts of red tape to get him to stop competing with publicly funded housing. It is all about control.

You think a conservative city would allow this? After the NIMBYs come out of the woodwork?
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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Before government entered the housing business through exclusionary zoning, developer set asides, rent control and other gimmicks the private market adequately met the housing demands across the class spectrum. Government simply makes things worse.

In my experience, conservatives tend to support exclusionary zoning every bit as much as liberals - and then some.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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In my experience, conservatives tend to support exclusionary zoning every bit as much as liberals - and then some.
Of course. It's not really necessary though beyond making sure a strip club isn't next to a school. The land values alone in an area that is in demand by rich people would make building for the poor prohibitive in that area. So why the need to codify them in law? Folks just like the control.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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You think a conservative city would allow this? After the NIMBYs come out of the woodwork?
the NIMBYs would lose to the contruction company.

As Spaten said its about kickbacks
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