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Old 02-11-2014, 03:12 PM
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How is it relevant? We are talking about climate change here. Sure the globals pick some obscure number like 1880 to go back to and base their BS on that. 100 or so years is not climate change.....they are trying to sucker us all. Only the dupes fall for it. Are you one?
Well what do the ice ages have to do with current climate change today?
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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Well what do the ice ages have to do with current climate change today?
They show that climates change.
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:33 PM
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They show that climates change.
Of course they do, that's so obvious it doesn't need mention. Who has claimed natural climate change doesn't happen? So I don't understand what how that connects.

Just because there has been natural climate change in the past does not imply that any current climate change is (or isn't) natural.
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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Of course they do, that's so obvious it doesn't need mention. Who has claimed natural climate change doesn't happen? So I don't understand what how that connects.

Just because there has been natural climate change in the past does not imply that any current climate change is (or isn't) natural.
Cool, let's leave it at that.
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Find something other than a blog.

By the way, it hasn't warmed ion over 17 years.

Yeah yeah yeah. And waterboarding isn't torture, the weapons are in the area north, south, east and west of Tikrit, and natural disasters are God's way of showing you that he thinks gay people shouldn't marry.

You guys come up with the greatest stuff.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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Yeah yeah yeah. And waterboarding isn't torture, the weapons are in the area north, south, east and west of Tikrit, and natural disasters are God's way of showing you that he thinks gay people shouldn't marry.

You guys come up with the greatest stuff.
Better than a failed VP.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:05 PM
 
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I don't think the majority of climate believers are trying to dupe anyone because the theory does have some scientific merit. I don't buy the sky is falling story line, but I think that for most people on both sides of the issue, they have arrived at their respective positions honestly.
No. When confronted with facts that contradict right-wing talking points, they just declare it to be junk science - they don't show this to be the case, they just declare it to be so then keep lying. Also, they repeat their lies after they've been exposed as such, showing that denialists are lacking in any sort of intellectual honesty. Also, they try to present tabloids and right-wing blogs as scientific publications, then insist they will continue to believe their electronic diahhrea even when it shown to be blantatly false.

Nothing any denialist says here inclines me to believe they're honest.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:06 PM
 
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No. When confronted with facts that contradict right-wing talking points, they just declare it to be junk science - they don't show this to be the case, they just declare it to be so then keep lying. Also, they repeat their lies after they've been exposed as such, showing that denialists are lacking in any sort of intellectual honesty. Also, they try to present tabloids and right-wing blogs as scientific publications, then insist they will continue to believe their electronic diahhrea even when it shown to be blantatly false.

Nothing any denialist says here inclines me to believe they're honest.
What facts?

You only have theories. I have schooled you on this ad nauseum. You have no facts.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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Rainfall patterns will be disrupted, with floods in some places and droughts in others.

Acidification of the oceans. Carbon dioxide dissolves in water by reacting to make carbonic acid, causing great damage to fish stocks and coral reefs.

Feedback loops. As glaciers disappear, the planet will not reflect as much solar radiation back into space, leading to more warming. When northern permafrost melts, the organic material will decompose and release methane, again leading to more warming. As the oceans warm, their ability to dissolve carbon dioxide decreases, and if ever reach a certain temperature, the methane stored under pressure on the seafloor will vaporize, leading to (you guessed it) more warming.

Spread of tropical diseases. As northern latitudes become warmer, vectors that spread tropical diseases (such as mosquitoes or other organisms) will begin to encroach into new areas.

Disruption of ocean currents. For example, the disruption of ocean currents could reduce the strength of the North Atlantic Drift that keeps Europe relatively warm for its latitude.

Habitat loss or change faster than plants or animals can adapt.

Loss of mountain glaciers and snowpack exacerbating summer droughts. (This is happening in California now)
I doubt it, plus Siberia is a vast expanse of forested land, the taiga, is aboreal forest approximately the size of the 48 contiguousUnited States. The land contains perhaps one-fifth of all the world's trees and one-half of its coniferous trees. The forest's role in global warming and as a carbon sink is unknown, but is suspected to be quite important given the forest's size.

Almost all of the ice at the north pole is floating on the sea so it would have very little effect on the sea level should it melt, but if it were warm enough to melt, then Greenland's ice sheet would likely melt as well, and if the whole Greenland ice sheet melted this would lead to a global rise of 23 ft. If the Antarctic ice sheet melted you could add another 200 feet of sea rise,
Global warming - RationalWiki

Greenland’s ice added six times more to sea levels in the decade through 2011 than in the previous 10 years, according to a draft of the UN’s most comprehensive study on climate change. Antarctica had a fivefold increase, and the UN is raising its forecast for how much the two ice sheets will add to Earth’s oceans by 2100. Ice Melting Faster in Greenland and Antarctica in UN Leak - Bloomberg

Greenland is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to climate change.

Sound on for this....


"CHASING ICE" captures largest glacier calving ever filmed - OFFICIAL VIDEO - YouTube
That is a great post!

Will any of the flat earthers take the time to read it? Probably not.

If they did read it, would they have the ability to understand it? Hard to say.

What worries me about the positive feedback loop is this is a snowball rolling downhill and heading towards an avalanche. With warmer temperatures leading to melting ice and permafrost, methane is being released into the atmosphere, speeding the rise in temperatures. This is only one positive feedback loop, how many others are in play?

The situation is truly dire and those on this thread in denial are exactly why the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and targeted. And quite effective, sadly.

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  • Melting glaciers will raise sea levels so that less heat is reflected out to space
  • Decline of the flow of fresh water from the Arctic will collapse the Gulf Stream
  • Forests will no longer absorb carbon, but become a source.
  • Methane clathrates held in the mud under the sea begin to burp
  • Melting permafrost releases vast quantities of methane
  • Drought kills the Amazon forest and its carbon sink is released
  • The benefits of being shielded by global dimming ceases
  • Bush fires increase the carbon load and reduce the storage capacity of forests
  • As oceans warm the seas absorb less carbon
  • All the above plus disastrous weather and coral bleaching and acidification of the oceans disrupt food production
Planet Extinction - Tipping Points
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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The UN? You believe anything that rabble puts out?

Planet Extinction, financed by environazi groups.
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