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As usual, none of our esteemed lefty posters can bring themselves to respond to the excellent point made by the OP. Instead it is the usual stutter-stepping, bobbing, and weaving, in any direction available other than that of reality.
Actually as I pointed out above there is a picture ID system that would be perfectly acceptable...but the right is not interested as it could not be used to suppress voting groups.
Picture ID in no way guarantees citizenship. Merely that they have a picture ID. Where voting irregularities have been found the illegal voters had picture ID. So if you really want to purge the voter rolls you would need a national ID card.
There are any number of steps that would vastly improve the voting protocol. Careful pruning of the voter roles is one. But you would need to spend some money to assure that the rolls were correct not simply pruned of "undesirable" voters. These systemic improvements seem to have no charm to the right. I wonder why?
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Required id to join the protest but not needed to vote .
Liberals are getting sillier more racist and forever hypocritocal
The right to participate in a public election is much different than being allowed to participate in an activity run by a non-government entity. I could vote with my non-picture voter ID in Arlington County but getting into a bar later that night a business owner could require me to show picture ID to be let in.
The right to participate in a public election is much different than being allowed to participate in an activity run by a non-government entity. I could vote with my non-picture voter ID in Arlington County but getting into a bar later that night a business owner could require me to show picture ID to be let in.
SO the lefties are having a rally against voter id but demand an id to protest. Hypocrisy at its greatest
NV Secretary of State proposed a photo ID system that everyone can agree to. Have DMV photo equipment at each polling place and take a picture of anyone who shows up to vote without a DMV ID.
After an election or two virtually everyone is in the system. And no one is ever turned down.
NV legislature voted it down as it costs money and they did not believe there was a problem that needed fixing. But you from states who want a fix...here is a way that nobody would object to...
I won't hold my breath though. This version lets everyone vote...
I don't see what this would accomplish, other than to make a pile of money for whatever contractor supplies the DMV photo machines. Is the idea to run the photos through facial recognition software to make sure nobody votes twice, or what? What is taking the picture of a voter exactly supposed to accomplish? And since there is already DMV photo equipment at the DMV office, why can't people who want to vote utilized said DMV office to get their photo taken?
Election Fraud is a much bigger issue. Voter ID will not fix election fraud. Which is why you hear so much about it and next to nothing about election fraud.
I don't see what this would accomplish, other than to make a pile of money for whatever contractor supplies the DMV photo machines. Is the idea to run the photos through facial recognition software to make sure nobody votes twice, or what? What is taking the picture of a voter exactly supposed to accomplish? And since there is already DMV photo equipment at the DMV office, why can't people who want to vote utilized said DMV office to get their photo taken?
It says every voter record has a signature and a photograph. It is well known that the DMVs have been working on face mapping for a long time so yes it would be possible to check for the same face appearing multiple places...but that is an added advantage over mere photo ID, which is only checked for an ID card with a photo that resembles the voter.
The cost of the equipment is close to negligible. The costs would more be in the software to get the voter rolls and the DMV systems congruent. That is a thing that needs to happen with any form of voter ID.
The objections all appear to be that it would have no need for anyone to go to the DMV and stand in line for an ID.
And if you are skeptical about a given voter you have a picture as well as the signature and voter data to use in a back check.
There are various ways to commit voter fraud. One easy way is to use a fake name -- e.g. someone you know has moved but still is on the voter rolls, or of a deceased person whose name hasn't been removed yet. Picture ID would prevent that. Google "dead voters" then note how often Democrats are the culprits.
It is tragic that Attorney General Holder and the Obama Administration's Justice Department apparently continue to place party politics ahead of the integrity of the country's elections by turning a blind eye to voter fraud in states such as Illinois, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, while persistently obstructing state and local efforts to combat corruption in places such as Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas.
Election fraud is another name for disenfranchisement – and it's a felony, not a punch line. Regrettably, the Justice Department seems to be in on the joke.
The right to participate in a public election is much different than being allowed to participate in an activity run by a non-government entity. I could vote with my non-picture voter ID in Arlington County but getting into a bar later that night a business owner could require me to show picture ID to be let in.
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Only to someone who does not understand the difference in public rights vs the rights of private non-govt entities.
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